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Requested move 11 January 2020
The following is a closed discussion of a
requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a
move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: all pages moved as requested (except
DND Flyway) per the discussion below.
Dekimasuよ! 07:59, 20 January 2020 (UTC)reply
Note: Please don't remove already done ones. I manually moved them over different days. Sorry for same. Wish to have a consensus for all above article moves. Also please group all above requests into single section, I am unable to do so.
Vatsmaxed (
talk) 08:07, 11 January 2020 (UTC)reply
This is a contested technical request (
permalink). —
Amakuru (
talk) 10:49, 11 January 2020 (UTC)reply
Comment - I agree in principle with these requests, as roads from Point A to Point B, our usual convention is to include the ENDASH. However, I have two peripheral questions, @
Vatsmaxed: I'd be interested in your view on this:
Should they all be ordered alphabetically, similar to
Iran–United States relations and
United States–Yemen relations? I think the only reason we'd order them non-alphabetically is if the road has a well-defined "start" versus "end" point, or if
WP:COMMONNAME overwhelmingly favours the given direction.
Should it be "Expressway" or "expressway"? Per
MOS:CAPS only words which are "consistently capitalized in a substantial majority of independent, reliable sources" should be capitalised on Wikipedia, but I see plenty of sources which lowercase it:
[1][2][3] —
Amakuru (
talk) 10:58, 11 January 2020 (UTC)reply
No, they should not be ordered alphabetically. In India, the official name to expressway is given in format larger city–smaller city expressway. Due to media also using same format, it also enters in same way in general public talks. So
WP:COMMONNAME favours the above given direction.
It should be "expressway" as per
MOS:CAPS. Now, many source also use uppercase ones:
[4][5][6] But since there is no official case specification, we should go with
MOS:CAPS. Thanks for pointing this out.
Having said this, there are many more expressway articles which need to be case-changed. (for eg.
Belghoria Expressway). Please see such entries in subcategories in
Category:Expressways in India. Ideally they should also be case-changed. Can this happen as part of this request, or a separate request needs to be raised? —
Vatsmaxed (
talk) 15:27, 11 January 2020 (UTC)reply
Support even though I mildly prefer an em dash. Nom, or
Amakuru, any idea why the community has preferred an en dash instead of an em dash in this case? --
Doug MehusT·C 18:09, 12 January 2020 (UTC)reply
The guidance is at
MOS:ENBETWEEN. As for why it's that way, figuring that out requires going through lots of consensus-building discussions from 15 years ago in the talk archives.
Dekimasuよ! 15:00, 13 January 2020 (UTC)reply
Dekimasu, Thanks for the style guideline. I'll bookmark that and read it more in-depth. Sounds like a contentious discussion! Off-topic, and not relevant to this discussion, do you prefer en or em dashes? And how do you make an en dash (i.e., what's the Alt code)? I just use Alt+0151 (which is the em dash, if I'm understanding correctly).
Doug MehusT·C 16:53, 13 January 2020 (UTC)reply
I use both en-dashes and em-dashes in different contexts. In this sort of case, I would always use an en-dash. En-dashes can be created with Alt+0150 on a PC.
Dekimasuよ! 04:58, 17 January 2020 (UTC)reply
Comment.
Vatsmaxed, my bot has flagged your request as malformed. Twelve of the pages you've requested to move are redirects. Changes to the targets of redirects should be discussed at
WP:Redirects for discussion. Unfortunately this was one of two requests the bot didn't handle gracefully until I patched the code, see related discussion
HERE. –
wbm1058 (
talk) 02:30, 15 January 2020 (UTC)reply
Reply.
wbm1058. I mentioned those also here, so that, if the consensus settles on "reverse of what i requested" (i.e space instead of endash), then these pages could be moved to their redirect name. I think we should let this request complete (non-redirect part), then all remaining redirect discussion could be moved to section
WP:Redirects for discussion.
Amakuru,
Doug Mehus and
Dekimasu, could you please close this discussion as per consensus established above. Also,
Doug Mehus, the Alt code for en dash is Alt+0150. Please see more on
WP:HTMD.
Vatsmaxed (
talk) 05:30, 15 January 2020 (UTC)reply
Vatsmaxed, Thanks! I found that on further Wikipedia article searching, although I had to go to the Main: namespace for that, not the project space.
Doug MehusT·C 15:59, 15 January 2020 (UTC)reply
Okay, I've listed them, but only eleven of them ended up being redirects. I am kind of confused what you want done with the redirects,
Vatsmaxed. If you want the target pages to all be named with en dashes per
MOS:ENDASH? I looked through all eleven redirects and that's what we have. If you're just wanting to delete the left over redirects from page moves, well, I'm inclined to support keep as plausible misspellings. Note that any page move-created redirect that you created, you can tag, using Twinkle, for
speedy deletion criterion #G7 as the author of the redirect page.
Doug MehusT·C 17:08, 15 January 2020 (UTC)reply
Wbm1058, Can we also strike those ones that are already at titles with endashes and which have redirects with spaces to them?
Doug MehusT·C 02:48, 17 January 2020 (UTC)reply
I've removed the other 11 from the template, and thus also from the listing at
WP:RM, and moved them to the "already done" section. –
wbm1058 (
talk) 04:35, 17 January 2020 (UTC)reply
Vatsmaxed, There's
emerging consensus here, in that there is no expressed opposition, but all of us have expressed opinions here so shouldn't close per
WP:INVOLVED, I believe. I will, however, ping
IJBall, a
page moving editor, here to diarize this for January 18th (7 days) to assess the consensus and see if he wants to complete the move at that time?
Doug MehusT·C 16:03, 15 January 2020 (UTC)reply
Vatsmaxed, Nevermind I see what you mean per
wbm1058's reply above. I will list the redirects at
RfD.
Doug MehusT·C 16:08, 15 January 2020 (UTC)reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a
requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this
talk page or in a
move review. No further edits should be made to this section.
Dear @
ARoseWolf:, @
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On the revision history page of
Agra-Lucknow Expressway, kindly go through my final edits dated 12 July 2021. After this, plz see the edits done by the user
Shresthsingh71 with their device 103.148.144.254 on 13 July and 23 August. I had to make changes to it, again and again. It takes time and effort to create a nice informative page. I request you all to take the necessary action.
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