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I have just commented out a new section that has been added by an anon. It relates to a lawsuit against the company. I can't find anything on Google. Can anyone substantiate the information? User:Noisy | Talk 21:51, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
I propose that the category "Companies based in Englewood" be replaced with "Companies based in Colorado". I have previously made this edit, but it was quickly reverted by another editor. In a good faith effort to avoid inciting another edit war, I'll simply add "Companies based in Colorado" at this time. Hopefully this action will not be accused of being vandalism or of degrading the article, as my previous edits were. I'm also hopeful that, since it is fairly self-evident that the company is located in Colorado, that this action won't be accused of being original research.
That being said, please consider the following reasons for the category replacement:
1. "Companies based in Englewood" is a "redlined" category. This category has not even been created.
2. There are at least six unique place names in the United States alone with the name "Englewood". This category is ambiguous.
3. It seems to me that a category "Companies based in XXX" should be reserved for countries, states or major cities. Englewood, Colorado has an employment population of only 23,500. By comparison, nearby Denver has nearly 537,000 jobs - over twenty times that number. Englewood is a rather obscure location to be having its own category for companies based there.
4. This is related to item 3. It seems to me that a category is only useful when there are at least a few dozen articles that can actually be categorized with it. Again, Englewood is hardly a major employment center and only a few articles can be categorized as "Companies based in Englewood". It simply isn't very meaningful or useful to readers.
Finally, regarding this specific article:
5. Aviation Technology Group uses Englewood, Colorado in its mailing address. However, the company is actually not located in the city; in fact, one must leave the city limits of Englewood and travel several miles through another city (Centennial, Colorado) in order to reach the company's location. Therefore, the category "Companies based in Englewood" is misleading. To correct this, a more suitable name for the category would be "Companies using Englewood in their mailing address". This category, however, would be even more obscure - and overly pedantic.
Faced with the choice of a redlined, ambiguous, obscure, useless and misleading category ("Companies based in Englewood") on the one hand, and a pedantic one on the other ("Companies using Englewood in their mailing address"), it seems the best choice would be to use neither.
"Companies based in Colorado" is an established category, is unmistakeable, is meaningful to readers and has several dozen applicable articles. It should be fully adequate to provide a geographical categorization for this article.
-- Watkinsian ( talk) 21:09, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
I would suggest that at the point when the new company, AAI Acquisition, makes its certification milestone for the A700 that a separate article be started on that company. If it were spun off before than and fail to produce any aircraft it would remain a small historical footnote, not really worthy of a separate article. - Ahunt ( talk) 15:09, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
I was thinking more if the company is renamed and/or moved, which is usually the case in these buy-outs and restarts. A good example is True Flight's purchase of the remains of Tiger Aircraft. In this case the company will have a new name and be located in a new place. The Tiger article will remain as a historical record of a manufacturer that went out of business and there will be a new article about True Flight at that point. Right now TF is just a section in the Tiger article because they haven't produced anything yet. If they do I think they merit their own article. I agree that if AAI Acquisitions continues the company under the same name, Adam Aircraft, and the same location, then it should stay in the same article. - Ahunt ( talk) 20:03, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
I was asked to keep and eye on and review the constant changes on this article, and taking into consideration the comments made I have changed the location in to a simpler version which make it clear the that the legal company address is different to the companies physical location. The article mentions Centennial Airport and anybody that interested can follow the link to find out more about the location. Please dont change this statement without further discussion on this page. Thank you. MilborneOne ( talk) 17:30, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
User:Ahunt appears to be "hellbent" at reverting any change I make to the article.
There are several problems with the following sentence: "The company's legal address is Englewood, Colorado, although its headquarters is at Centennial Airport, in the Denver-Aurora Metropolitan Area of Colorado."
I could attempt to make any number of constructive edits to deal with these problems, but I would be immediately reverted, criticized, censured or accused of vandalism. Watkinsian ( talk) 23:17, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
With regard to item 2) above, the address "12876 E. Adam Aircraft Cir.", the city "Centennial", and the state abbreviation "CO" can also be entered into the US Postal Service site referenced above, and the following will be returned:
Full Address in Standard Format
12876 E ADAM AIRCRAFT CIR
CENTENNIAL CO 80112-4549
Thus, the formulation of the address using "Englewood" is NOT the only postally valid formulation of the address.
With regard to item 4) above, that very same map also shows that the actual plant location address is nowhere near the City of Englewood, but immediately adjacent to the City of Centennial. In any case, editors have claimed in discussions on other pages that referencing maps is "Original Research".
Regarding your conclusions, the postal address is Englewood OR Centennial. True, the plant is in Arapahoe County, but the infobox and the article text should BOTH say this; i.e., the article lead and the infobox should not only present correct information, they should also present the SAME information.
The article previously contained two references from journal articles that establish the company's location as Centennial, Colorado. Other editors are not willing to accept the inclusion of these references, and insist that the location is Englewood, Englewood, Englewood. My position is that, at the very least, readers ought to know that any mention of "Englewood" in the article is a postal designation - not a reference to the city - and that the company is actually located miles and miles east of Englewood. Watkinsian ( talk) 01:28, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
Actual City name in 80112 ENGLEWOOD, CO Acceptable City names in 80112 CENTENNIAL, CO GREENWOOD VILLAGE, CO GREENWOOD VLG, CO Not Acceptable LONE TREE, CO
You've done well at illustrating my point. Just because the U.S. Postal Service has assigned a number of city names to a certain ZIP code, doesn't mean that an address in that ZIP code is necessarily located in any of those cities. Just because a company has decided to use a particular city in its address, doesn't mean that it is actually located in that city. Wikipedia is here to present the facts - which are: yes, AAI uses "Englewood" in its address; however, this is a postal designation, because the Englewood city limits are seven miles to the west; and that the company's location borders the City of Centennial, which is a better indication of where the company is located, because it isn't seven miles away! Watkinsian ( talk) 03:55, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
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