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Dear Jydog, I am the creator of this article. It has been vetted by several reviewers since February. I have addressed numerous critiques from various editors. However, no reviewer has identified this article as spam. Ringbang, rejected the April 2016 version due to it appearing to be a "fringe theory." I re-wrote the article emphasizing 3rd party research sources.The article is grounded in 3rd party research sources and secondary sources. Only 8 or 10 of the 62 references are primary sources. The bibliography I added is largely primary sources. Could that be a problem? I could delete the bibliography section if that gives the appearance of advertisement. The goal of the article is to explain what AEDP is, the context of its development, and the neuroscience and psychological theory underlying its claims in how it helps. AEDP is considered a psychotherapy worthy of inclusion in the American Psychological Association's psychotherapy training DVD series.
I agree wth JoeRay that the content is too dense for the average reader, and that the lead paragraph is too long. I will be working on those issues.
Carrieruggieri (
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11:25, 21 August 2016 (UTC)reply
Based on the two objections above (one from an uninvolved editor), I've removed the CSD template. This article has already been through AfC, and although the prose needs work, is not "unambiguous promotion" per
WP:CSD#G11. If the nominator still wishes to discuss deletion, they should probably do so at AfD.
Joe Roe (
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20:20, 21 August 2016 (UTC)reply
This article reads like it was copied out of a textbook and most of the content that I've read so far doesn't seem appropriate for an encyclopedia article.
—PermStrump(talk)23:12, 22 August 2016 (UTC)reply
See a related discussion at
the Teahouse. It also strikes me that no criticism of the therapy is discussed in the article. Is this because there are no sources that are critical of it, or have they been ignored?
Cordless Larry (
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05:11, 23 August 2016 (UTC)reply
I have been waiting for someone from the psychology portal to chime in. But in the meantime, I wonder if it would be possible to remove the issue in the box that states that the article reads like a personal opinion. I have combed through and I cannot find a single opinion, or personal feeling. The entire article is an effort to distill a vast amount of information and psychology background in order to understand the information. Not a bit of is sourced from my brain. I am reporting on my understanding of what scholars, much smarter than me, have researched and practiced. It is also not possible for an article to be both too "technical," "read like a textbook," and also appear to reflect personal feelings and opinions.
As to the issue of a lack of critique: There are not any written critiques that I could find. This psychotherapy model is so integrated in contemporary neuroscience and psychotherapy research, as well as traditional psychological theory, that I think critiques will be far off in the next wave of paradigm change. There are technical critiques, but these are much too technical and would require way too much background education to understand: such as, AEDP does not formally address a central theme originating in psychoanalytic psychotherapy that has influenced just about all psychotherapies, and that is the issue of "transference."
I have taken the critique that the article is too technical to heart, and I am happy to work on that. However, I have to say that if I try to read a topic on wikipedia in the area of physics or mathematics, I don't understand these writings. I have zero background or frame of reference from which to understand. At the same time, and for that reason, I have no reason to look up such a topic. And, I wouldn't expect to understand.
From my understanding of the criteria for a wikipedia article (neutral point of view, notability, reliable published sources), the article does meet these criteria. However, I think someone from the psychology portal could be very helpful in making critiques and suggesting or making edits.
Carrieruggieri (
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13:19, 23 August 2016 (UTC)reply
Reagrding the essay tag, sentences such as "A comparison of AEDP to its more contemporary influences, such as psychoanalysis, intensive short-term dynamic psychotherapy, and experiential-affect focused therapies, is offered to provide context for key constructs and methods" sound like they belong in an essay to me. "Is offered" sounds like the writer of the article is offering this comparison, which is what an essay would do, whereas an encyclopedia article should just summarise what the sources say about the subject. I agree about the need for some expert input - you may well be right about the lack of critical sources, but it would be good to get a second opinion. I also take your point about the technical wording. Articles about even relatively simply topics such as trains can be very difficult to read. I do think we can strive for better, though.
Cordless Larry (
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14:15, 23 August 2016 (UTC)reply
Helpful feedback Cordless Larry, I think I understand. At least I can make the correction you recommended. link is helpful, thank you Roger. So writing "is offered" is a self-reference? I think I get it. Totally new concept to me.
Carrieruggieri (
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15:09, 23 August 2016 (UTC)reply
Re:
Carrieruggieri's comment: "I have been waiting for someone from the psychology portal to chime in." I think I added this to my watchlist after seeing it mentioned at
WT:PSYCH. In any case, I'm a member of that project and that is my line of work. My initial reaction is that this article relies too much on primary sources that really should only be used to supplement the material available in secondary sources instead of the basis for the majority of the article. I believe the over-reliance on primary sources, especially those written by AEDP's developers, is a big part of the essay-like feel that Cordless Larry is talking about and also the textbook feel that I was talking about.
—PermStrump(talk)21:01, 23 August 2016 (UTC)reply
Dear Permstrump, the article relies on secondary and 3rd party sources. Only 8 or 10 of the 55 references are primary sources. I know it's a chore, but if you were to track the references, you would see that the information is clearly secondary and 3rd party sources. My writing and presentation was to figure out how to present the material from the point of view of second and third party sources. Maybe that is why it seems textbookish?
Could you direct me to an article on psychotherapy in wikipedia that represents how a wikipedia article should be written? That would help a great deal. I am not understanding the the textbook feel vs. encyclopedic.
Are we in agreement that the article meets wikipedia criteria for being notable, verifiable with reliable sources and from a neutral point of view? If the problem is style, a frame of reference would help me with making needed changes. Thank-you.
Carrieruggieri (
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21:59, 23 August 2016 (UTC)reply
"Could you direct me to an article on psychotherapy in wikipedia that represents how a wikipedia article should be written?" I will start by saying a lot of psychology-related articles have a lot of issues, so that is a harder question to answer than it should be.
Cognitive behavioral therapy and
interpersonal psychotherapy are probably in the best shape, though they both have sections with issues. I definitely appreciate the brevity of the IPT article relative to CBT, though there has been the most research on CBT by far, so clearly there's going to be more to say about it, but it is quite long. They've both been on my to-do list for a while and periodically I've tried to tweak the wording to be more neutral and improve the sourcing, but I haven't made it all the way through either article yet.
This is a previous version of the IPT article that I thought relied btoo heavily on primary sources, so that version, specifically the history section, might be a good example of things to avoid (IMO).
It seems like AEDP has enough coverage in secondary sources for an article (see update underlined below), but maybe not for the current level of detail because right now a lot of space is dedicated to explaining the intricacies of the modality, which are better left to a manual or textbook. I think the CBT and IPT articles give more of an overview of the main components of the treatment, but the majority of information is about what research says about them as opposed to instructions on how to perform them.
I think
this might be a good third-party source for summarizing the main components of AEDP. As primary research, it doesn't (*corrected*) satisfy
WP:MEDRS as far as claims about AEDP's effectiveness, but the couple of paragraphs in the introduction that explain the core concepts could either be a good model or source for describing the treatment without the textbook details or essay-like language. LMK if you can't access the full text and I can paste the parts I'm talking about here.
—PermStrump(talk)23:56, 23 August 2016 (UTC)reply
Got it! And, thank you for that reference, I can't believe I missed that one! I would love what you can send, I can't access the full text. Thank you.
Carrieruggieri (
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00:25, 24 August 2016 (UTC)reply
Dear PermStrump, on the issue of the focus of modality in the article, I want to try to pitch to you the reasoning behind this emphasis. The modality mirrors the theory, and the modality is what the research is concerned with: AEDP modality was developed out of contemporary psychotherapy research and neuroscience research on factors that promote positive change in psychotherapy. The examples of therapist's statements are not there for the purposes of an "how to," but are there to help the reader understand a concept. I think if one is only curious about the main components of the treatment, then that is satisfied, and if if one wants to understand the 'how', that too is satisfied. This is an important point because as it is stated in the article, Fosha's development of the theory is based upon her belief that a "model of therapy must be based on theory of what brings about positive change in psychotherapy." When a client, a colleague, or any interested person asks me what AEDP is, the next question is "but how does it work?" Trying to answer that question is what led me to want to write this article for wikipedia. I'm trying to get my hands on the article you recommended so that I can model what you suggested as a good way to explain core concepts for a wikipedia article.
Carrieruggieri (
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12:20, 25 August 2016 (UTC)reply
Update to comment above: I just realized that some of the sources that I thought were about this topic were actually about plain experiential dynamic therapy and mentioned the accelerated version, but weren't really about the accelerated version, so I need to look into it for notability a little bit more before giving an opinion.—PermStrump(talk)00:10, 24 August 2016 (UTC)reply
My assessment that it passed
WP:N when this article was at AfC was based mainly on these refs:
[1] (dedicated entry in a third party encyclopaedia), the fact that it was prominently feature in an APA video series, and generally a lot of google scholar hits and mentions in the literature.
Joe Roe (
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09:32, 24 August 2016 (UTC)reply
Sources
The following list of further reading was removed from the article on 22 August 2016 (quite rightly, as it is far too long and of limited to use to the general reader), but I thought I'd preserve it here in case it's of use in improving this article further in future:
Further reading list
Books
Fosha, D. (2009). The transforming power of affect: A model for accelerated change. New York: Basic Books
D. Fosha, D. J. Siegel & M. F. Solomon (Eds.), The healing power of emotion: Affective Neuroscience, Development, Clinical Practice. New York: Norton.
Frederick, R. (2009). Living like you mean it: Use the wisdom and power of your emotions to get the life you really want. Jose-Bass
Prenn, N. & Fosha, D. (/in preparation/). /On supervision in AEDP/. Washington DC: APA.
Russell, E. (2015). Restoring resilience: Discovering your clients capacity for healing. W.W. Norton & Co.
Yeung, D. & Cheung, C. (2008). /The rainbow after: Psychological trauma and Accelerated Experiential Dynamic Psychotherapy/. Hong Kong: Ming Fung Press. (/in Chinese/).
Book Chapters
Fosha, D. (2002). The activation of affective change processes in AEDP. In J. J. Magnavita (Ed.). Comprehensive Handbook of Psychotherapy. Vol. 1: Psychodynamic and Object Relations Psychotherapies New York: John Wiley & Sons.
Fosha, D. (2003). Dyadic Regulation and Experiential Work with Emotion and Relatedness in Trauma and Disordered Attachment. In M. F. Solomon & D. J. Siegel (Eds.). Healing Trauma: Attachment, Mind, Body, and Brain. New York: Norton.
Fosha, D. (/2004/). “Nothing that feels bad is ever the last step:” The role of positive emotions in experiential work with difficult emotional experiences. Special issue on /Emotion/, L. Greenberg (Ed.). /Clinical Psychology and Psychotherapy/, 11, 30-43.
Fosha, D. (2007). Transformance, Recognition of Self by Self, and Effective Action. In K. J. Schneider, (Ed.) Existential-Integrative Psychotherapy: Guideposts to the Core of Practice New York: Routledge.
Fosha D. (2009). Emotion and recognition at work: Energy, vitality, pleasure, truth, desire & the emergent phenomenology of transformational experience. In D. Fosha, D. J. Siegel & M. F. Solomon (Eds.), The healing power of emotion: Affective Neuroscience, Development, Clinical Practice (pp. 172–203). New York: Norton. (Go to Amazon page for the book)
Fosha, D. (2009) Healing Attachment Trauma with Attachment (and then some!). In M. Kerman (Ed.) Clinical pearls of wisdom: 21 leading therapists offer their key insights New York: Norton. (Go to Amazon page for the book)
Fosha, D. (2013). Turbocharging the affects of healing and redressing the evolutionary tilt. In D. J. Siegel & Marion F. Solomon (Eds). Healing moments in psychotherapy. Chapter 8 (pp. 129–168). New York: Norton. (Go to Amazon page for the book)
Fosha, D., Paivio, S. C., Gleiser, K. & Ford, J. (2009). Experiential and emotion-focused therapy. In C. Courtois & J. D. Ford (Eds.), Complex Traumatic Stress Disorders: An Evidence-Based Clinician’s Guide. Chapter 14, pp. 286–311. New York: Guilford Press. (Go to Researchgate page for the book)
Fosha, D., & Yeung, D. (2006). AEDP exemplifies the seamless integration of emotional transformation and dyadic relatedness at work. In G. Stricker & J. Gold (Eds.), A Casebook of Psychotherapy Integration. Washington DC: APA Press. (Go to Amazon page for the book)
Prenn, N. (2009). I Second That Emotion! On Self-Disclosure and Its Metaprocessing. In A. Bloomgarden and R. B. Mennuti (Eds.), Psychotherapist Revealed: Therapists Speak About Self-Disclosure in Psychotherapy. New York: Routledge. (Go to Amazon page for the book)
Tunnell, G. (2006). Postscript 10 years after: “The Oedipal Son” revisited. In S. Minuchin, W-Y. Lee, & G. Simon (Eds.), Mastering family therapy: Journeys of growth and transformation (2nd Ed)./ New York: John Wiley.
Tunnell, G. (2011). An Attachment Perspective on the First Interview. In C. Silverstein (Ed.), The Initial Psychotherapy Interview: A Gay Man Seeks Treatment. New York: Elsevier Insight Books. Recipient of 2011Distinguished Book Award from American Psychological Association, Division 44. (Go to Amazon page for the book)
Tunnell, G. (2012). Gay Male Couple Therapy: An Attachment-Based Model. In J. J. Bigner & J. L. Wetchler (Eds.), Handbook of LGBT-Affirmative Couple and Family Therapy. London: Routledge. (Go to Amazon page for the book)
Journal Articles
Benau, K. S. (2009). Contrasts, symbol formation and creative transformation in art and life. /Psychoanalytic Review/, /96 (1)/, 83-112.
Eppel, A. B. (2013) Attachment and loss: matters of life and death. /New Therapist/, /84/, 28-32
Fosha, D. (2000). Meta-therapeutic processes and the affects of transformation: Affirmation and the healing affects. Journal of Psychotherapy Integration. 10, 71-97.
Fosha, D. (2001). The dyadic regulation of affect. Journal of Clinical Psychology/In Session. 57 (2), 227-242.
Fosha, D. (2001). Trauma reveals the roots of resilience. Special September 11 Issue. Constructivism in the Human Sciences. 6 (1 & 2), 7-15.
Fosha, D. (2001). Change: Emotion, body and relatedness. In A. Guerini, F. Osimo, & M. Bacciagaluppi (Eds.). Core Factors in Experiential Short-Term Dynamic Psychotherapy. Quaderni di Psichiatria Pratica. 17/18, 105-116.
Fosha, D. (2004). “Nothing that feels bad is ever the last step:” The role of positive emotions in experiential work with difficult emotional experiences. Special issue on Emotion, L. Greenberg (Ed.). Clinical Psychology and Psychotherapy. 11, 30-43.
Fosha, D. (2004). Brief integrative psychotherapy comes of age: reflections. Journal of Psychotherapy Integration. 14, 66-92.
Fosha, D. (2005). Emotion, true self, true other, core state: toward a clinical theory of affective change process. Psychoanalytic Review. 92 (4), 513-552.
Fosha, D. (2006). Quantum transformation in trauma and treatment: Traversing the crisis of healing change. Journal of Clinical Psychology/In Session. 62 (5), 569-583.
Fosha, D. (2006/Winter). AEDP: Transformance in action. /Connections & Reflections: The GAINS Quarterly, /pp. 3–7.
Fosha, D. (2007). AEDP: Transformance In Action. Connections & Reflections.
Fosha, D. (2007). “Good Spiraling:” The Phenomenology of Healing and the Engendering of Secure Attachment in AEDP. Connections & Reflections. Summer 2007.
Fosha, D. (2008). Recognition, vitality, passion. And love. /Constructivism in the Human Sciences/, /12 /, 57-77.
Fosha D. (2009). Emotion and recognition at work: energy, vitality, pleasure, truth, desire & the emergent phenomenology of transformational experience. In D. Fosha, D. J. Siegel & M. F. Solomon (Eds.), The healing power of emotion: Affective neuroscience, development, clinical practice (pp. 172–203). New York: Norton. Also reprinted in The Neuropsychotherapist. Jul/Sep 2013 (2), 28-51. www.theneuropsychotherapist.com
Fosha, D. (2009). Positive affects and the transformation of suffering into flourishing. W. C. Bushell, E. L. Olivo, & N. D. Theise (Eds.) Longevity, regeneration, and optimal health: Integrating Eastern and Western perspectives (pp. 252–261). New York: Annals of the New York Academy of Sciences.
Fosha, D. (2010). Wired for healing: 13 ways of looking at AEDP. /Transformance Journal. 1 (1).www.transformancejournal.com
Fosha, D. (2013). A heaven in a wild flower: self, dissociation, and treatment in the context of the neurobiological core self. Psychoanalytic Inquiry, 33, 496-523.
doi:
10.1080/07351690.2013.815067
Fosha, D. (2013). Speculations on emergence: working the edge of transformational experience and neuroplasticity. International Neuropsychotherapy Magazine, 2013, 1 (1), 120-121. Also in The Neuropsychotherapist, Issue I, www.theneuropsychotherapist.com.
Fosha, D., & Slowiaczek, M. L. (1997). Techniques for accelerating dynamic psychotherapy. American Journal of Psychotherapy. 51, 229–251.
Gleiser, K. (2013). Seeing the invisible. Transformance Journal. 4(1). www.transformancejournal.com
Gleiser, K., Ford, J. D., & Fosha, D. (2008). Exposure and experiential therapies for complex posttraumatic stress disorder. Psychotherapy: Theory, Research, Practice, Training. 45 (3), 340-360.
Greenan, D. (2010). Therapy with a gay male couple: An unlikely multisytemic integration. In Alan S. Gurman (Ed.), Clinical casebook of couple therapy/. Chapter 5, pp. 90–111. New York: Guilford.
Hanakawa, Y. (2011). Receiving loving gratitude: How a therapist’s mindful embrace of a patient’s gratitude facilitates transformance. Transformance Journal/. 2 (1). www.transformancejournal.com
Harrison, R. L., & Westwood, M. J. (2009). Preventing vicarious traumatization of mental health therapists: Identifying protective practices. Psychotherapy: Theory, Research, Practice, Training, 46 (2),203-219.
Havnesköld, Leif. (2010) Om affektfokuserad psykoterapi i teori och praktik-en översikt. /Insikten,/ 2.
Hazlett, S. P. (2010). Attunement, disruption, and repair: The dance of azlett, S. P. (2010). Attunement, disruption, and repair: The dance of self and other in emotionally focused couple therapy. In Alan S. Gurman (Ed.), Clinical casebook of couple therapy/. Chapter 2, pp. 21–43. New York: Guilford.
Hill, R. & Dahlitz, M. (2013). What’s hot in neuroscience for psychotherapy. Transformance Journal. 3 (1) www.transformancejournal.com
Hopper, E & Gleiser, K. (in preparation). Reaching across the abyss: Relational stance and relational strategies to heal from neglect and emotional abuse. In: E. Hopper, F. Grossman, J. Spinazzola, & Zucker, M.(Eds). A Yet Unnamed Book on Neglect and Emotional Abuse.
Hendel, H. J. (2015). It’s Not Always Depression. New York Times, March 10, 2015.
Hendel, H. J. (2015). The Healing Power of Hugs. New York Times, September 1, 2015.
Hendel, H. J. (2015). The Judicious Use of Touch in an AEDP Treatment: Responding to Developmental Need and Transformance Drive. The AEDP Journal, Vol 6 (1) www.transformancejournal.com
Imming, J. (2011). The work of AEDP: Repair, growth & celebration. Transformance Journal. 2 (1).
Korn, D. L. (2009). EMDR and the treatment of complex PTSD: A review. Journal of EMDR Practice and Research, 3 (4), 263-277.
Lamagna, J. (2011). Of the Self, by the Self, and for the Self: An Intra-relational Perspective on Intra-psychic Attunement and Psychological Change. Journal of Psychotherapy Integration. 21 (3), 280–307.
Lamagna, J., & Gleiser, K. (2007). Building a secure internal attachment: An intra-relational approach to ego strengthening and emotional processing with chronically traumatized clients. Journal of Trauma and Dissociation. 8 (1), 25-52.
Lamagna, J. (/in preparation/). Existing in one’s own heart: Intra-relational experience and the harnessing of self-referential affective change processes in the treatment of complex trauma.
Lamagna, J. (2015). Making Good Use of Suffering: Intra-relational Work with Pathogenic Affects. Transformance Journal. 6 (1) www.transformancejournal.com
Lehmann, E. (2011). The kings speech. Transformance Journal Vol. 2. www.transformancejournal.com
Lehmann, E. (2014). Integration for increased safety and carrying forward. In B. Jaison and P. Nowick (Eds.) The Folio: A Journal for Focusing and Experiential Therapy, 25 (1), 139-151.
Lipton, B. (2015). Introduction to The Couples issue. /Transformance Journal, 6 (1). www.transformancejournal.com
Lipton, B., & Fosha, D. (2011). Attachment as a transformative process in AEDP: Operationalizing the intersection of attachment theory and affective neuroscience. Journal of Psychotherapy Integration. 21 (3), 253-279.
MacDonald, K. (2010). Into the insula. Transformance Journal. 1(1). www.transformancejournal.com
MacDonald, K. (2011). Hands On 2: A trip between banks. Transformance Journal. Vol.2. www.transformancejournal.com
Mars, D. (2011). AEDP for Couples: From stuckness and reactivity to the felt experience of love. /Transformance Journal. 1 (2). www.transformancejournal.com
Mars, D. (2015). The Community Healing Workshop: A Final Treatment Phase of AEDP for Couples. Transformance Journal. 6 (1). www.transformancejournal.com
Mars, D. (2015). AEDP for couples: Transforming potential divorce into falling freshly in love in the thirtieth year of marriage. Transformance Journal. 6 (1). www.transformancejournal.com
Medbo, A. & Sundgren, A C. (2012) Att lära sig praktisera innersubjektivitet. /Insikten/. 3
Ossefort-Russell (2011). Individuals grieve: AEDP as an effective approach for grief as a personal process. /Transformance Journal/, 1 (2). www.transformancejournal.com
Pando-Mars, K. (2011) Building attachment bonds in AEDP in the wake of neglect and abandonment: Through the lens and practice of AEDP, attachment and polyvagal theory. /Transformance Journal./ 1 (2). www.transformancejournal.com
Prenn, N. (2010). How to set transformance into action. Transformance Journal Vol. 1 (1).www.transformancejournal.com
Prenn, N. (2011). Mind the Gap: AEDP Interventions Translating Attachment Theory into Clinical Practice. Journal of Psychotherapy Integration. 21 (3), 308–329.
Ruggieri, C. (2011) Laura Hillenbrand: Author as true other. Inspiring quantum resilience. Transformance Journal. 3 (1). www.transformancejournal.com
Russell, E., & Fosha, D. (2008). Transformational affects and core state in AEDP: The emergence and consolidation of joy, hope, gratitude and confidence in the (solid goodness of the) self. Journal of Psychotherapy Integration. 18 (2), 167-190.
Shapiro, S. (2009). It’s Not About You. Psychotherapy Networker Magazine, Jan/Feb 2009, 23-24.
Silvan , J. (2015). Attachment-in-Action: movement-inclusive AEDP as a healing catalyst. Transformance Journal. 6 (1) www.transformancejournal.com
Snyder, M. (2013). Leaning into love: The radical shift. Transformance Journal. Vol. 3. www.transformancejournal.com
Sundgren, Anna Christina. (2014). AEDP - att göra det implicita explicit och det explicita till en ny erfarenhet. Psykoterapi 2014:1; 9-17
Tunnell, G. (2006). An affirmation approach to treating gay male couples. Group. 30 (2), 133-151
Tunnell, G. (September 2010). AEDP for the common man: A review of Frederick, R. (2009). Living Like You Mean It: Use the Wisdom and Power of your Emotions to Get the Life You Jossey-Bass, 2009). Transformance Journal. 1(1). www.transformancejournal.com
Tunnell, G. (2015). Facilitating transformance for couples: A comparison between structural family therapy and AEDP. Transformance Journal. 6 (1). www.transformancejournal.com
Tunnell, G. (2015). Expanding the ordinary to extraordinary: A Review of Eileen Russell’s Restoring Resilience. Transformance Journal. 6 (1). www.transformancejournal.com
Welling, H. (2015). The impatient therapist. Transformance Journal. 6 (1). www.transformancejournal.com
Welling, H. (2012). Transformative emotional sequence: Towards a common principle of change. Journal of Psychotherapy Integration, 22 (2), 109-136.
Yeung, D. (2010). Transformance and the phenomenology of transformation: Self-transcendence as an aspect of core state. Transformance Journal. 1 (1). www.transformancejournal.com
Research
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Piliero, S. (2004). Patients reflect upon their affect-focused, experiential psychotherapy: A retrospective study. Doctoral Dissertation. Adelphi University, New York
Schoettle, E. (2009). A qualitative study of the therapist’s experience practicing Accelerated Experiential Dynamic Psychotherapy(AEDP): An exploration of the dyadic process from the clinician’s perspective. Doctoral Dissertation. Wright Institute, Berkeley, CA.
Welling, H. (2012). Transformative emotional sequence: towards a common principal of change. Journal of Psychotherapy Integration, 22(2), 109-136.
DVD's
Fosha, D. (2007). Accelerated Experiential Psychotherapy (AEDP). Series 1 of Systems of Psychotherapy. American Psychological Association
Fosha, D. (2013). AEDP With a male client. Part of the Specific Treatments for Specific Populations Video Series. American Psychological Association.
Lamagna, J. (2015). Making good use of suffering: Intra-relational AEDP work with overwhelming emotional experience. www.aedpinstitute.org
Mars, D. (2014). AEDP for couples: Healing chronic dissociation and trauma through treating infidelity. www.cfttsite.com
Mars, D. (2014). AEDP for couples: Moving beyond hot and cold conflict to develop lasting trust and love. www.cfttsite.com
Mars, D. (2015). AEDP for couples training set: Vol. 1 and Vol. 2. www.cfttsite.com
Books discussing AEDP:
Curran, Linda. (2009). Trauma competency: A clinicians guide. Premier Publishing & Media.
ISBN0982039883
Ecker, B., Ticic, R., & Hulley, L. (2012)./ Unlocking the emotional brain: Eliminating symptoms at their roots using memory reconsolidating./ New York, London:
Routledge.
Eppel, A., (2009). Sweet sorrow: Love, loss and attachment in human life. London: Karnac Books
ISBN1855756455
Faranda, F. (2009). The purposive self and the dreaming mind. BookSurge Publishing.
ISBN1439249849
Hazlitt, S.P.(2010). Attunement, disruption, repair: The dance of self and other in emotion focused couple therapy. In alan S. Gurman (Ed.), Clinical casebook of couple therapy. Chapter 2. pp. 21–43. New York: Guilford.
ISBN1462509681
Hughes, D. (2007). Attachment focused family therapy. New York: Norton.
ISBN0393705269
Marmarosh, C. L., Markin, R. D., & Spiegel, E. B. (2013). /Attachment in group psychotherapy/. American Psychological Association Press.
McWilliams, N. (2011). /Psychoanalytic diagnosis/. New York: Guilford.
Shahar, Golan (2015). Erosion. Oxford University Press. p. 166.
ISBN9780199929368
St. John, D. (2015). /Healing the wounds of childhood: A psychologist's journey and discoveries from wretched beginnings to a thriving life.
Weiss, H., Johanson, G. & Monda, L. Eds.( 2015). /Hakomi: Mindfulness-centered somatic psychotherapy:A comprehensive guide to theory & practice./NewYork:Norton Publishers, May 2015.
Rich Simon: Interview with Diana Fosha for Psychotherapy Networker, New Perspectives: 21st Century Trauma Treatment. State of the Art, Trauma and Transformation with Diana Fosha March 14, 2012
http://www.icpre.com/presentations/PN/Trauma/Fosha.htm
I think it's fine to remove all this. I included it because the first reviewer to reject my submission thought I had too may citations, she suggested a bibliography. I guess I thought I had to include absolutely everything.
Carrieruggieri (
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13:54, 23 August 2016 (UTC)reply
Image
On removing the image: There is no discussion here about the decision to remove the image. The inclusion of the image went through the wikipedia copyright process. Somewhere there must be documentation of the permission given by the author of the image to use it for the article. The diagram helps to understand the section on Theory of change/model of therapy. Why does it's inclusion call into question the copyright status of the article in general?
Carrieruggieri (
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14:00, 23 August 2016 (UTC)reply
I removed it because it's
not encyclopedic, not because of copyright infringement.
MOS:IMAGES says "Avoid entering textual information as images for more information." In this case, the flowchart gave the article a very textbook-like feel, as does the information it was meant to clarify, which should probably be condensed to the information available in
secondary sources. I will take a closer look at it later.
—PermStrump(talk)16:13, 23 August 2016 (UTC)reply
Regarding image, PermStrump, for me the image is a visual for all the text in the section theory of change/model of therapy. It doesn't actually add information, it condenses the text into a visual. If you would have one more look and make a judgement, then I will go with your judgement.
Carrieruggieri (
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10:16, 25 August 2016 (UTC)reply
correction on an edit
I think Joe Roe (?) re-wrote the lead paragraph, and I like what he did. However, I just noticed that the sentence "...initially developed by Diana Fosha" is incorrect. The problem is the word "initially". So far Diana Fosha is the only developer of AEDP. She has co-authored articles, and AEDP trainers and clinicians have elaborated on aspects (I did not use these sources), however the major concepts are completely from Fosha 2001, 2009, and 2013 as cited in the first sentence. I did not remove this wording, I will wait for the author of that sentence to respond.
Carrieruggieri (
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00:17, 24 August 2016 (UTC)reply
The "initially" was supposed to refer to the book mentioned rather than Fosha, i.e. it was first published with that book, then expanded in later publications. But please go ahead and change it!
Joe Roe (
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09:22, 24 August 2016 (UTC)reply
Hello, this is carrie ruggieri ok so I at least know where to communicate. And thank you very much for responding so quickly and moving the article to the draft page. I am very willing to write in encyclopedic style. But I honestly don't understand what that means - because I really think I did. And I don't know how to be any more neutral than writing from the point of view of 3rd party and secondary sources. If it is a source problem that is easy to fix because there are many many more 3rd party sources since this was published. If it seems like a "personal essay" or my point of view, then that is simply my writing style that conveys warmth. Again, how can it not be from a neutral point of view if every sentence is referenced and the writing was structured around all the references I could find -- that are NOT primary. Because references lead back to the originator doesn't mean it is a biased piece of writing -- how can one write about psychoanalysis and not reference Freud for example, or write about behaviorism and not reference Skinner and Watson. Actually, I am looking at the behaviorism article right now -- It gets quite dense and is a beautiful synthesis. I like that article. I think it is what people expect when they go to wikipedia. I don't see how mine is different.
I studied experimental psychology and clinical psychology at the New School for Social Research - I was there for 6 years and involved in many research endeavors. I do understand how to write from a neutral point of view. I understand how to use references. I understand how to critique - goodness I learned how to be merciless. If there is a psychologist who can look at this I think it would be very clear why this is a non-biased, neutral point of view article. Please don't punish me for writing with a tone of warmth and feeling - its one of my assets. Perhaps it is a reflection of the lack of female editors that gives the typical articles a certain more muscular feel - Im reaching for an understanding here.
As I explained, no one has critiqued aedp, at least not in a publication. And, the reason for that is because contemporary therapies are in reaction to models of the previous zeitgeist - which was cognitive therapy. So maybe in a decade there will be lots of critique on aedp and emotion focused therapies because a neuro-focused approach will muscle in to replace its present status.
As a neutral writer I cannot write a critique if it is not referenced. If you want, I can think of many areas to critique - legitimate critiques. but I don't have references.
Please highlight a paragraph or something, anything, or a section and say write this like (and maybe give me an example from another article).
17:39, 22 October 2017 (UTC) — Preceding
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Carrieruggieri (
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I completely understand where you are coming from, but you don't understand this place, Wikipedia.
To Judog, I just read WP:Expert. I still, even mores after reading it, believe that my edits follow the community norms. I gave my background because I feel misunderstood and I thought by giving my background it would help you all see where I am coming from
Carrieruggieri (
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17:49, 22 October 2017 (UTC)reply
Biogeographist, I cannot find your suggestions and the deletion section discussion. I would like to have them and perhaps we can work together to make this article fit in with the wikipedia standards. thank you Carrie
Carrieruggieri (
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17:55, 22 October 2017 (UTC)reply
I added the heading "Another round of edits" above
User:Carrieruggieri's comment to separate this discussion from the previous topic (the move back to draft namespace).
@
Carrieruggieri: I want to emphasize that you shouldn't construe the criticism of the article as blame, since these problems are endemic in the psychotherapy literature and nobody who has been intensively socialized into the psychotherapy milieu could be expected to step out of that culture and into Wikipedia's culture without a lot of experience editing (other articles and topics in) Wikipedia.
To begin, I will try to find examples of good Wikipedia articles on psychotherapy, and I will return to list any examples that I find. (Wish me luck! It will probably be a short list!)
Biogeographist (
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18:04, 22 October 2017 (UTC)reply
Carrie, unfortunately, like a lot of academics who come here, you cannot see that you don't know what you are doing here in Wikipedia. Arguing instead of trying to learn how Wikipedia actually works. If that is the path you want to take, so be it.
Jytdog (
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20:06, 22 October 2017 (UTC)reply
Examples of criticism sections in other psychotherapy articles
To begin, here's a list of criticism sections in other psychotherapy articles. We can discuss these further if needed, but I will begin by simply listing them as resources.
Some of the sections listed above are stronger than others; in particular, I think that many of these criticism sections could be considerably expanded. A possible next step, which I don't have time to do now but could do later, is to evaluate which of the above-listed articles are strongest and have the most potential to serve as a model for the future direction of the article on AEDP.
On a related note, but slightly off-topic: I was surprised, while looking for examples, to find articles that I expected to report criticism of their subjects but didn't, such as
Transference, which I tagged with
Template:POV and commented on its talk page.
Biogeographist (
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19:31, 22 October 2017 (UTC)reply
The easiest way to find examples of good articles on Wikipedia may be the lists of
featured articles and
good articles. A couple of related topics in
good articles are
Nonviolent Communication (NVC) and
Psychodrama, which I don't consider to be extraordinary articles but do seem to be relatively clearly written. Note that the article on NVC was once nominated for deletion, which shows that being nominated for deletion does not preclude an article from eventually ascending to good-article status. I wonder why there are not more articles about psychotherapy in the good-article and featured-article lists?
Biogeographist (
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20:03, 22 October 2017 (UTC)reply
Thank yo Biogeographist, I will look at this carefully. I think I have some ideas about how to restructure the entire article. Perhaps if it was a lot shorter and focused upon the main concepts as opposed to getting into the deeper layers. I like to have context when I learn something new, but maybe that is not an encyclopedia approach.
Carrieruggieri (
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16:20, 23 October 2017 (UTC)reply
Simpler word choice, and other issues
@
Carrieruggieri: I looked at your most recent edits, and I think you are headed in the right direction, but I think even simpler words would be preferable in many places. For example:
Instead of the heading "Foundational constructs", simply "Key concepts".
Instead of the heading "AEDP's therapeutic stance: Undoing aloneness", simply "Undoing aloneness".
Instead of the heading "Emotion: the core of pathogenesis and the core of healing", simply "Emotion".
Split the heading "Transformance and metaprocessing" into two one-word headings.
Don't use multiple terms for the same concept; use the simplest term: for example, instead of mixing "meta-therapeutic processing" and "metaprocessing" just use "metaprocessing" throughout.
The "4 states, 3 state transformations" table does not need to be a table, since the first column is just headings. Change the first column into headings and the second column into body text. Description of the states could be considerably simpler. Fosha has a much simpler description of the states in at least one of her publications.
I would remove the claims that metaprocessing is a "unique" contribution of AEDP. I see that the source (Iwakabe & Conceição) calls it "unique", but I doubt that it is truly unique; it seems to me that many
Focusing practitioners emphasize what is mostly the same thing as metaprocessing (but the Focusing theorists use different language). Also note these relevant sentences from Iwakabe & Conceição's last paragraph:
The two authors who conducted the qualitative analysis had somewhat similar expectations and biases, since they were both interested in emotional change processes in AEDP. Although our knowledge of AEDP sensitized us to the subtlety of the emotional exchanges between the therapist and her clients, the credibility check in future studies may also employ researchers with different theoretical orientations who may be in a better position to uncover biases and expectations that the affiliation and knowledge of a particular theory may unwittingly and paradoxically generate.
AEDP's language is unique, but many of the psychotherapies use their own unique language, so using unique language is paradoxically not a uniquely differentiating factor. Plus, such claims of uniqueness are probably one of the reasons why another editor tagged this article with
Template:Advert. Flashy uniqueness claims sound too much like marketing.
On a related note, the APA's video series does not need to be mentioned in the lead. Mentioning the videos there makes it sound like AEDP is trying too hard to be legit. Yes, I know, the various psychotherapies do jockey to be legit, but that jockeying doesn't need to take place on Wikipedia.
Biogeographist (
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03:05, 30 October 2017 (UTC)reply
Dear Biogeographist, Wow! Thank you for very precise suggestions. And, I also appreciate your feedback on "unique" and languaging. I will follow all your suggestions. I appreciate your help in making this article a good contribution to wikipedia.
Carrieruggieri (
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22:53, 1 November 2017 (UTC)reply
Hello Biogeographist, I cannot figure out how to remove the table without losing the text. And I cannot copy/paste the text out of the table. Can you please advise? thank you.
Carrieruggieri (
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19:21, 3 November 2017 (UTC)reply
@
Carrieruggieri: I have changed the table to body text, but the text still needs to be simplified. I also removed some redundant passages (for example, there were statements in the section on "Emotion" that had already been said in the "Overview").
Biogeographist (
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18:39, 4 November 2017 (UTC)reply
Page numbers
I've added
Template:Page numbers improve to the article because more and/or more precise page numbers are needed. Adding
Template:Rp (with the relevant page numbers, for example: {{rp|123–124}}) next to repeated references (for example, all references to Fosha's major book should have precise page number ranges) would probably be a good way to remedy this, given the article's existing use of footnotes.
Biogeographist (
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18:57, 6 November 2017 (UTC)reply
Transformance Journal
I've removed the reference to Transformance Journal, which appears to be an internal publication of the AEDP Institute. The publication does not have an
ISSN as academic journals do; it is not available in libraries according to
WorldCat; it is not indexed in
Google Scholar (which is setting the bar low, since Google Scholar is not very selective) nor is it indexed in
PsycINFO. See, for example,
WP:SCHOLARSHIP: "Care should be taken with journals that exist mainly to promote a particular point of view. A claim of peer review is not an indication that the journal is respected, or that any meaningful peer review occurs. Journals that are not peer reviewed by the wider academic community should not be considered reliable, except to show the views of the groups represented by those journals." For these reasons, Transformance Journal does not appear to be an appropriate source for Wikipedia.
Biogeographist (
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20:03, 6 November 2017 (UTC)reply
Meta-therapeutic processing
Biogeographist, I don't know how to start a new section,
I had to delete this sentence you created:
"Meta-therapeutic processing, which psychiatrist and psychoanalyst James Grotstein recognized as a technical innovation by Diana Fosha, was later incorporated into focusing-oriented therapy, a method of psychotherapy originally developed by Eugene Gendlin, whose ideas also influenced Fosha's development of AEDP" because it is not the case that meta-therpautic processing was incorporated into Focusing, though I see the similarity.
Carrieruggieri (
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17:11, 14 November 2017 (UTC)reply
Biogeographist,
I put that sentence back in the draft: if you were referencing Ann Weiser Cornell, then what you write is correct. Thank you. Great finding. Carrie
Carrieruggieri (
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12:17, 21 November 2017 (UTC)reply
@
Carrieruggieri: You can create a new section at the end of this page by clicking on the "New section" tab at the top of the page. I restored the reference about meta-therapeutic processing in
Focusing. Read it and you will see that the claim is correct. I also consolidated (for lack of a better word) a couple of duplicate references using
Template:Rp. There may be other references that remain to be consolidated in this way, but I have not thoroughly reviewed the references.
Biogeographist (
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23:22, 22 November 2017 (UTC)reply
@
DGG: In September 2017 you
nominated this article for deletion with the summary: "This is a textbook chapter, written from the POV of a supporter of the movement. I am unable to edit this into an encycopedia article, but I will withdraw the afd if someone can manage to do it. I hope that will be possible, for there are sufficient references that the topic should be covered." I did not edit this article prior to the
AfD discussion, but I have tried to help revise the article since then, and I wanted to ask if, in your opinion, the article is getting closer to a state that could eventually be acceptable for mainspace.
This is the older version that you nominated for deletion, which you could compare to the current version. Thanks for any feedback you can give. Your response may help me decide whether to continue working on this article or not. Anyone else is welcome to comment as well, of course.
Biogeographist (
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15:02, 2 January 2018 (UTC)reply
let me start with some general comments and questions.
1(Critiques) "As to the issue of a lack of critique: There are not any written critiques that I could find" is an indication that the subject is not yet sufficiently notable for coverage in an encyclopedia. If the only material in relation to a subject is advocating it, then the article will inevitably be promotional. (I am aware that the literature of psychologically-based therapy consists in considerable part of publications advocating one particular method without even mentioning the possibility that other methods might exist. but no such publication will really meet the standard of MEDRS.)
2(NPOV) "Again, how can it not be from a neutral point of view if every sentence is referenced and the writing was structured around all the references I could find -- that are NOT primary". When writing a NPOV article, one selects sources in a balanced manner. References to positive sources only -- no matter how many references there are -- is not NPOV.
3In terms of fixing the article, the most important need--besides the addition of true nPOV sources -- is to shorten the article to a reasonable length, perhaps 1/4 to 1/2 the present size. The other key needs are to give any available information about therapeutic success, and some indication of the number of practitioners.
4 The nature of the discussion here, and the nature of the article, leads to a very obvious question:
Carrieruggieri, what is your connection with the program? If it is just as a practitioner, you have a direct COI,and it needs to be mentioned. If it as a pr agent for the inventor, or any other direct financial capacity, it needs fuller disclosure. See
WP:COI for the rules. I do not want to work on it further until this is clarified. DGG (
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00:28, 7 January 2018 (UTC)reply
@
DGG: Thanks for the feedback, much appreciated. I don't disagree with any of your points. Your first point is the most important issue for me, and I guess I will stop trying to work on this article due to that first point alone. Perhaps in a few years there will be enough independent third-party critique of AEDP to reconsider this article.
Biogeographist (
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12:40, 7 January 2018 (UTC)reply
@DGG and @Biogeopraphist: I wrote the original version of the article. And the responses to the issues noted (1-4) are my responses in quotes. Biogeogrpahist, you stated that you will stop working on the article to due issue 1. The lack of critique. The lack of notable critique is not due to the subject matter of the article, AEDP, but is due to the nature of the overall field of contemporary psychotherapy. There are articles published in wikipedia on contemporay psychotherapies. I have read them all and I have read their critiques. I suppose any critique that applies to any of these psychotherapies also applies to AEDP. Contemporary psychotherapies are built upon substantive critiques of long established psychotherapies such as cognitive-behavioral psychotherapy and psychoanalysis. The critiques are based upon advances in psychotherapy research. And the methods of contemporary psychotherapies are increasingly grounded in the research. If we were to wait for contemporary psychotherapies become challenged by new research findings or new technologies, we'd be waiting very many years. It was easier to critique psychotherapies when the methodology was more deeply grounded in theory as opposed to research and neuroscience. So, I think maybe someone who is wiser than me can come up with a way to address this problem. We could talk about phenomena described by AEDP that is observed but not yet verified by research, or is still an open-ended discussion about what it is or what it means. However, this is not exactly a critique. Or maybe it is. At the same time there is the requirement to not be too technical or too textbookish.
But I think if AEDP cannot be on wikipedia due to lack of critique, then emotion focused therapy and attachment based psychotherapy, compassion focused therapy, along with a some others must also be deleted. I think the critiques section in emotion focused therapy is about psychotherapy in general, so it is not exactly a critique of emotion focused therapy. And the statement that Ecker critiques eft for stating that the change factor in eft is emotion, is bending the perspective in order to create a critique section. Ecker knows and eft knows, that there are
many change factors.
But, I will create a critique section if it is required. Again, compare this article to other's published. AEDP is more rigorous in its grounding of theory in research. There are more research based references than theoretical references. I think that makes AEDP an exceptionally solid contemporary model of psychotherapy.
2. TheAEDP article is heavily referenced with 3rd party sources. They are not positive or negative sources they are 3rd party sources that verify a claim. I have compared the quality of 3rd party sources in this aedp article with other articles on a psychotherapy, and this AEDP article has many more 3rd party sources.
3. that is easy to do. There is a massive research underway and perhaps some preliminary results. There are also many dissertations. And it is easy to get the number of practitioners.
4. I was told that I only need to say I am a practitioner, which I have said. I was told that I don't need to do anymore than to say that I am a practitioner. I believe that conversation is within this talk page somewhere. I thought that issue was settled a long time ago. I am not an agent, I am not an employee, I hold no official capacity. I am not writing this article for financial gain. I have not been offered money etc... I began to write this article years ago to challenge myself. And writing is my way to best understand a topic. I think AEDP is very rich and complex so to write a coherent and comprehensive article about it for wikipedia would force me to really learn this topic. That is why i took this on.
Carrieruggieri (
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21:10, 7 January 2018 (UTC)reply
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Carrieruggieri: I agree that a lot of the other articles on brand-name psychotherapies could be deleted for various reasons. There is a certain randomness to the
AFD process: articles go to AFD when someone notices that there's a qualifying problem with an article and takes time to go through the AFD procedure. I don't agree with you that
Emotionally focused therapy (EFT) should be deleted, though; there are plenty of independent secondary sources that cover EFT, and your comment about Ecker's criticism doesn't make any sense at all, since Ecker is clearly responding to an EFT theorist on an aspect of EFT theory. I like AEDP but I'm not willing to spend more time working on this article if it is just going to be deleted again. I will contribute again if there is someone besides me and you working on this and if it looks like the issues that
DGG mentioned are being addressed. Also, I guess I don't agree with DGG's comment about the article's length—I think the length is approximately right (except for the "Map of the change process" section, which I've already said I think is too long). I don't see how the article could be cut in half while retaining necessary differentiating information, but if someone can manage to do it I will be impressed.
Biogeographist (
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23:00, 7 January 2018 (UTC)reply
@DGG and @sulferboy: dear DGG and sulferboy, I have overhauled the article and addressed the issues that you each identified as problematic.
1. I updated to include references(2cd and 3rd party) since the original article was written in 2016. I have included every reference on AEDP (2CD AND 3RD party) I could find through google scholar. There are original references because if someone wanted to validate the accuracy of my statements the reference is available. I included a research reference section but I think that is not going to be acceptable - just in case, I thought it would be useful for a student who is interested in AEDP but I have no objection to deleting it.
2. I added the critique section that was requested. I did not have references for critiques in 2016 but they have now popped up. There are more but I don't think they add value to the article because they are versions of the same critiques. I could add the critiques that apply to psychotherapy issues in general. I will do that if you want, but I don't think it will add anything of interest to someone who is curious about what AEDP is.
3. I went through and re-wrote anything that sounded technical or jargon-ish. I italicized the necessary technical words but I hope explained them. I tried to write the article so that general simplified sentence is followed by a more in-depth description - I tried to think about how to layer it so that it could be understandable to anyone and also of informative to professionals. So every sentenced I asked if there was an extraneous word, and if it added something important. Therefore, I think that is the reason for the criticism I can't seem to overcome, which is that it is written like a personal essay.
4. The thing about neutral point of view: it is neutral because there is nothing that indicates that I am promoting this form therapy over other forms of therapy. I wrote it for people who, like me, when they want to learn more about a topic they go to wikipedia. There is no other way to learn about a topic in an in-depth way that is readable. I looked at all the other psychotherapy articles and I notice that wikipedia reviewers tend to give this criticism in general to psychotherapy articles. The one article that is does not have this problem with reviewers is EMDR, but I thought that article's emphasis was on the problems with EMDR and did not help a reader understand what EMDR is and how it works.
5.Conflict of interest issue: When I started writing this article in the sandbox in 2014 I was a psychotherapist who had taken some workshops in AEDP. I wanted to challenge myself to write an article for wikipedia because 1. I noticed there wasn't one and 2. I thought it would be a good challenge for me to really learn AEDP - I was curious about the origins of these ideas etc. Now it is 6 years later. I have no official capacity within the institute: I am not yet certified though I am on the track to be and I am years away from being a supervisor. I was never asked to write an article for AEDP on wikipedia. Recently I was asked to be the associate editor for the AEDP journal because for many years I have been writing summaries of the articles for the AEDP listserv. I am one of aedp listserv monitors. Outside of these volunteer roles, I do not gain from the promotion of AEDP. I do not earn money as a supervisor. As a therapist, people do not seek me out because I am an AEDP therapist.
6. Length of article: you felt it was too long. Biogeographist felt it was appropriate given the topic. It is comparable in length to other psychotherapy articles. Also, a quest for the basic information about what AEDP is can gotten from the overview. Each level of reading on is designed to elaborate on the previous or prepare for what comes next. So someone doesn't have to read the whole article if they simply want to know what AEDP is. If someone want to really know from a professional point of view they can read on. But for the full picture everything that is there is necessary. There was a lot I did not include because it would be in the weeds for most people.
I have made extensive revision, and added critique section. I think I addressed the problems noted when the article was withdrawn. I'd like to re-submit, but I forgot how.
Carrieruggieri (
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21:02, 27 April 2020 (UTC)reply
discussion for 2020 revision of 2017 deleted article.
Hi Biogeographist, I read your comment in the talk section of Diana fosha article. you advised me to continue here.
This article is almost completely re-written. I have been working on it everyday for many hours a day since mid-march. There are many new references and I did a lot more cleaning out of technical language. There is also the critique section that had been required but I could not find references for at the time.
How do I address conflict of interest? Is that a formal process (a form to fill out?), or do I just explain my relationship to AEDP in the talk section?
I don't recall commenting on the talk page of the
Diana Fosha article, and there's no evidence that I commented there, so you must be thinking of something else.
I noticed that you were working on this article recently. A couple of weeks ago or so I looked at some of the edits you were making and I was dismayed by them, as they seemed to be undoing some of the changes that I had made to try to achieve a more neutral point of view. I agree with
Sulfurboy's assessment that the article is not much closer to being ready than it was a couple of years ago, though the Criticism section is a welcome addition.
You have likely explained your relationship to AEDP well enough above.
Dear Biogeographist, I just re-read this comment. I'm sorry, I did not realize that I un-did some of your edits. I'll go back and see what version there was before I did another round of edits and re-incorporate them.
Carrieruggieri (
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14:30, 10 July 2020 (UTC)reply
2020 version made corrections request by afc denial
this article has been rejected twice based on the No original research criteria. I thought original research meant writing based on the articles or research from a primary source. However, I look it up on the wikipedia info page and it states that original research issue is asking editors to not synthesize material, which could imply the editor's personal opinion.
So, I have taken out as much of the primary references as is sensible. and wrote from 2cd and 3rd party sources. I have not synthesized or summarized without basing it on a reference. If someone could highlight sections where it seems it is my synthesis, that could be helpful. Thanks
Carrieruggieri (
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18:56, 1 May 2020 (UTC)reply
I am a student of this model of psychotherapy. I am not certified and I am not a supervisor, therefore I do not receive any financial benefit from my involvement in the AEDP Institute. When I began writing the article in 2016 I did not have a role in the Institute. As of April 2019 I am an associate editor of the institute's journal. I am also a listserv moderator. I am a writer and a psychotherapist.
Carrieruggieri (
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16:09, 16 May 2020 (UTC)reply
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Biogeographist (
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The 2020 AEDP book published by the American Psychological Association (APA) repeatedly uses the term "empirically supported". In psychology anyway,"empirically supported" is not confused with "empirically validated." And "validated" doesn't mean true. Although I understand that readers may interpret "validated" or even "supported" as "true". Would it be ok to say: "AEDP is a model of therapy that is supported by ongoing research" then citing the research?
Carrieruggieri (
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13:16, 24 October 2022 (UTC)reply
Since AEDP is a very recently developed form of therapy, and there isn't much research supporting (or debunking) it at the moment (and none of what is available is what I would consider "high quality" research) we'd best avoid giving the impression that it is "supported" (or "debunked") by research or science. When better research with a much larger sample size gets published by an independent source that has nothing to gain from AEDPs success financially and it indicates that AEDP is awesome, we can change the article to reflect that.
Polygnotus (
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19:36, 24 October 2022 (UTC)reply
The offending statement has been removed. The article was already corrected for problems noted in the tag. The same tag was removed a year ago and the only change in the article was the attempt to update it with the research finding. Can only editor who placed the tag undo it?
Carrieruggieri (
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16:22, 6 November 2022 (UTC)reply