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Oppose. The general kind of aircraft involved is largely irrelevant and does not add to the descriptive title. All we need is the who and the what, and "plane crash" concisely describes the event. Per my comment in the previous RM, I would support a move to
Wagner Group plane crash, as the year is not needed for disambiguation. Also, the event descriptor, regardless of wording, should not be capitalized; i.e. the proposed move should really be
2023 Wagner Group jet crash.
Mdewman6 (
talk) 18:26, 24 September 2023 (UTC)reply
Oppose - After a lengthy discussion at the previous RM, the closer, just six days ago, wrote "Throughout this discussion, multiple alternatives have been suggested to the name proposed. There has been minimal support for the originally proposed move title, but better support for renaming the article to "2023 Wagner Group plane crash", or "2023 Wagner Group jet crash". Most appeared to be fine with either plane or jet, with a slight slant towards plane"(emphasis added). Unless there is a legitimate claim that that one was closed improperly then this new one is completely unnecessary and should be closed promptly. For the record, I also agree with the reasoning of
Mdewman6 above.
Davidships (
talk) 20:06, 24 September 2023 (UTC)reply
Oppose per Mdewman6 and Davidships.
HappyWith (
talk) 20:55, 24 September 2023 (UTC)reply
Procedural speedy close. The option was under consideration in the most recent RM (which stayed open until last week) and did not garn much support there despite a lengthy discussion with good participation. Reopening the same request could be considered disruptive. —
kashmīrīTALK 22:52, 24 September 2023 (UTC)reply
Oppose Jet is too specific and could make a first impression upon users that the Wagner Group, a private military company, has a military jet fleet itself.
Borgenland (
talk) 07:47, 25 September 2023 (UTC)reply
Oppose per all above.
S5A-0043Talk 11:24, 25 September 2023 (UTC)reply
Oppose, needlessly specific per all of the above; current title is adequately
WP:CONCISE.
Carguychris (
talk) 19:23, 26 September 2023 (UTC)reply
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
What is this? Propaganda? Never!
"A Telegram channel linked to the Wagner Group, named Grey Zone"
Please explain how they're "linked to the Wagner Group". Very curious.
AntiBiasBoy (
talk) 23:24, 14 April 2024 (UTC)reply
However I take your point about propaganda; considering this article is so tightly tied down, it is very poor. As an example it screams that Putin is denying it was a bomb but the Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation Putin allegedly tasked with the investigation have already linked on their website to
Kommersant saying "Let us note that, according to experts in the field of accident investigation, the cause of the crash could have been an explosion that occurred in the tail section of the plane, which was torn off from it".
[1] Kommersant also have a good early article on the crash
[2]. Of course I'm not permitted to add any of this.
Maybe Wikipedia really is better left open to the people rather than Wikicrats and professionals extended auto confirmed editors. Just a thought.
Amble123 (
talk) 00:33, 13 May 2024 (UTC)reply