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The virus is typically spread during close contact and via respiratory droplets produced when people cough or sneeze.[1][2] Respiratory droplets may be produced during breathing but the virus is not considered airborne.[1] It may also spread when one touches a contaminated surface and then their face.[1][2] It is most contagious when people are symptomatic, although spread may be possible before symptoms appear.[2]( RfC March 2020)
{{
Current}}
at the top. (
March 2020)
RfC March 2020) Include a short subsection on Sweden focusing on the policy controversy. ( May 2020)
5. Include subsections covering the domestic responses of Italy, China, Iran, the United States, and South Korea. Do not include individual subsections for France, Germany, the Netherlands, Australia and Japan. (...and there have been incidents of xenophobia and discrimination against Chinese people and against those perceived as being Chinese or as being from areas with high infection rates.( RfC April 2020)
Supersedes #1. The first several sentences of the lead section's second paragraph should state The virus is mainly
spread during close contact
[a] and by
small droplets produced when those infected cough,
[b] sneeze or talk.[1][2][4] These droplets may also be produced during breathing; however, they rapidly fall to the ground or surfaces and are not generally
spread through the air over large distances.[1][5][6] People may also become infected by touching a contaminated surface and then their face.[1][2] The virus can survive on surfaces for up to 72 hours.[7] Coronavirus is most contagious during the first three days after onset of symptoms, although spread may be possible before symptoms appear and in later stages of the disease.
(
April 2020)
Notes
COVID-19 pandemic. The title of related pages should follow this scheme as well. ( RM April 2020, RM August 2020)
10. The article title is
Wuhan, China
to describe the virus's origin, without mentioning Hubei or otherwise further describing Wuhan. (
April 2020)
first identifiedand
December 2019. ( May 2020)
U.S. president Donald Trump suggested at a press briefing on 23 April that disinfectant injections or exposure to ultraviolet light might help treat COVID-19. There is no evidence that either could be a viable method.[1] (1:05 min)( May 2020, June 2020)
File:President Donald Trump suggests measures to treat COVID-19 during Coronavirus Task Force press briefing.webm should not be used as the visual element of the misinformation section. ( RfC November 2020)
15. Supersedes #13.WP:UNDUE for a full sentence in the lead. ( RfC January 2021)
16. Supersedes #8. Incidents of xenophobia and discrimination are consideredFile:COVID-19 Nurse (cropped).jpg should be that one photograph. ( May 2021)
17. Only include one photograph in the infobox. There is no clear consensus thatThe COVID-19 pandemic, also known as the coronavirus pandemic, is a global pandemic of coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) caused by severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2).( August 2021)
The global COVID-19 pandemic (also known as the coronavirus pandemic), caused by severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (
SARS-CoV-2), began with an
outbreak in
Wuhan, China, in December 2019.
(
June 2024)
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Is
Talk:COVID-19_pandemic#Current_consensus #14 still valid?. It says: "Do not mention the theory that the virus was accidentally leaked from a laboratory in the article. (May 2020)"
Jtbobwaysf (
talk)
21:02, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
The pandemic has been declared as officially ended, by WHO. It's no longer a pandemic, or technically no longer a Public Health Emergency of International Concern. See also.The article should be updated accordingly. Geekathak ( talk) 13:36, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
there’s no definitive, yes-or-no conclusion about whether that’s the right term to use. “There is no universal, agreed definition of what a pandemic is,” Van Kerkhove says. “If you asked 100 epidemiologists to define what a pandemic is, or, ‘Are we currently in a pandemic?’, you’d get a lot of different answers.”The same pattern is evident in this similar article from the same month here.
The global COVID-19 pandemic (also known as the coronavirus pandemic), caused by severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2), began with an outbreak in Wuhan, China, in December 2019. It spread to other areas of Asia, and then worldwide in early 2020. The World Health Organization (WHO) declared the outbreak a public health emergency of international concern (PHEIC) on 30 January 2020, and assessed the outbreak had become a pandemic on 11 March 2020.[3]
COVID-19 symptoms range from asymptomatic to deadly, but most commonly include fever, sore throat, nocturnal cough, and fatigue. Transmission of the virus is often through airborne particles. Mutations have produced many strains (variants) with varying degrees of infectivity and virulence.[9] COVID-19 vaccines were widely deployed in various countries beginning in December 2020. Treatments include novel antiviral drugs and symptom control. Common mitigation measures during the public health emergency included travel restrictions, lockdowns, business restrictions and closures, workplace hazard controls, mask mandates, quarantines, testing systems, and contact tracing of the infected.
The pandemic caused severe social and economic disruption around the world, including the largest global recession since the Great Depression.[10] Widespread supply shortages, including food shortages, were caused by supply chain disruptions and panic buying. Reduced human activity led to an unprecedented temporary decrease in pollution. Educational institutions and public areas were partially or fully closed in many jurisdictions, and many events were cancelled or postponed during 2020 and 2021. Telework became much more common for white-collar workers as the pandemic evolved. Misinformation circulated through social media and mass media, and political tensions intensified. The pandemic raised issues of racial and geographic discrimination, health equity, and the balance between public health imperatives and individual rights.
The WHO ended the PHEIC on 5 May 2023.[4] COVID-19 continues to circulate, but as of 2024, experts were uncertain as to whether it was still a pandemic. [3] [4] Pandemics and their ends are not well-defined, and whether or not one has ended differs according to the definition used. [5] [6] As of [date], COVID-19 has caused [number] confirmed deaths.[5] The COVID-19 pandemic ranks as the fifth-deadliest pandemic or epidemic in history.
"the WHO want this to drag out"← is screaming conspiracist bollocks, and is no basis for writing an encyclopedia or being here at all. Just because editors desire to say the pandemic is over (presumably for HIV/AIDS too?) and have some crappy non-MEDRS sources does not mean Wikipedia deviates from its requirement to source this properly from authoritative sources. We have an entire article on Endemic COVID-19 which goes into some detail about the popular misconceptions to be avoided in this topic space. Bon courage ( talk) 08:14, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
That may be why public-health experts are so loath to take a firm stance. “I would be worried if the headline of your story is, ‘WHO Says We’re No Longer In a Pandemic,’” Van Kerkhove told me. “That would have a different level of meaning from a political point of view.”[12] This dovetails with what has also been pointed out - that the end of a pandemic has no firm epidemiological or biomedical meaning and is partly social/sociopolitical.
Even Maria Van Kerkhove, director of epidemic and pandemic prevention and preparedness at the WHO, admitted that the issue is a “confusing” one. The WHO continues to describe COVID-19 as a pandemic on its website.[my note: that same page also is under "emergency", which it definitely isn't, so whether or not some page is updated seems not very weighty.]
Van Kerkhove says that’s reasonable given the virus’ continued global presence, even though we are no longer in the crisis state we were in 2020—but, she says, there’s no definitive, yes-or-no conclusion about whether that’s the right term to use. “There is no universal, agreed definition of what a pandemic is,” Van Kerkhove says. “If you asked 100 epidemiologists to define what a pandemic is, or, ‘Are we currently in a pandemic?’, you’d get a lot of different answers.”She did not answer 'it's definitely still a pandemic' the way certain editors here are claiming is the truth; she specifically said that experts disagree on this question.
when we have strong MEDRS sources reflecting solid scientific consensus- We do? I haven't seen any. Just expert and expert body opinions - of which I have presented sources of equal quality with the opposite view.
For endemic COVID we need to be in WP:SYNC with the main article- obviously one of the two has to be updated first. Updating the latter is easily fixable by you or anyone else, and there is no basis whatsoever in WP:PAG for blocking updates in one article because someone didn't update another at the exact same time. Crossroads -talk- 17:53, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
The form this endemic persistence will take remains to be determined. So expert views from 2024 are relevant to how we write this article here in 2024. Crossroads -talk- 18:08, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
Etymology and definitions: The words that society, groups, or individuals use to indicate a condition, as well as whether they choose to think of a situation as a small part of a large condition or as a separate condition are not, themselves, biomedical information.It's no different than the quote from Hans Kluge from last year or numerous other things in this article. And this is not a neutral notification; you engaged in nutpicking of the arguments presented. Also, the argument for many of us is to neither call the pandemic over or ongoing, but to follow expert disagreement on the matter and not take a side, per the proposed lead above. Crossroads -talk- 17:45, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
recent actual MEDRSthat say that pandemics and endings thereof are well-defined, and we have regular RS quoting relevant experts concurring that they are not well-defined. Nothing has changed. Crossroads -talk- 17:59, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
Here is a side-by-side comparison, with text in the proposal underlined where it has been changed, added, or moved compared to the original. The two paragraphs that were combined, to keep the lead at four paragraphs, were not marked, since it was simply the removal of a line break. Other lead adjustments may be desirable (for example, Omicron has dominated in terms of variants for years now, and the emergency was lifted because death rates have vastly declined, in turn thanks to vaccination and immunity due to previous infection), but the point is to ask, which is better, as of today? Crossroads -talk- 22:07, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
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The COVID-19 pandemic, also known as the coronavirus pandemic, is a global pandemic of coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) caused by severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2). The novel virus was first identified in an outbreak in Wuhan, China, in December 2019, before it spread to other areas of Asia, and then worldwide in early 2020. The World Health Organization (WHO) declared the outbreak a public health emergency of international concern (PHEIC) on 30 January 2020, and assessed the outbreak had become a pandemic on 11 March 2020. [1] The WHO ended the PHEIC on 5 May 2023. [2] As of 27 June 2024, the pandemic has caused 7,051,600 [3] confirmed deaths, making it the fifth- deadliest pandemic or epidemic in history. |
The global COVID-19 pandemic (also known as the coronavirus pandemic), caused by severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 ( SARS-CoV-2), began with an outbreak in Wuhan, China, in December 2019. It spread to other areas of Asia, and then worldwide in early 2020. The World Health Organization (WHO) declared the outbreak a public health emergency of international concern (PHEIC) on 30 January 2020, and assessed the outbreak had become a pandemic on 11 March 2020. [1] |
COVID-19 symptoms range from asymptomatic to deadly, but most commonly include fever, sore throat, nocturnal cough, and fatigue. Transmission of the virus is often through airborne particles. Mutations have produced many strains (variants) with varying degrees of infectivity and virulence. [4] COVID-19 vaccines were widely deployed in various countries beginning in December 2020. Treatments include novel antiviral drugs and symptom control. Common mitigation measures during the public health emergency included travel restrictions, lockdowns, business restrictions and closures, workplace hazard controls, mask mandates, quarantines, testing systems, and contact tracing of the infected. |
COVID-19 symptoms range from asymptomatic to deadly, but most commonly include fever, sore throat, nocturnal cough, and fatigue. Transmission of the virus is often through airborne particles. Mutations have produced many strains (variants) with varying degrees of infectivity and virulence. [4] COVID-19 vaccines were widely deployed in various countries beginning in December 2020. Treatments include novel antiviral drugs and symptom control. Common mitigation measures during the public health emergency included travel restrictions, lockdowns, business restrictions and closures, workplace hazard controls, mask mandates, quarantines, testing systems, and contact tracing of the infected. |
The pandemic caused severe social and economic disruption around the world, including the largest global recession since the Great Depression. [5] Widespread supply shortages, including food shortages, were caused by supply chain disruptions and panic buying. Reduced human activity led to an unprecedented temporary decrease in pollution. Educational institutions and public areas were partially or fully closed in many jurisdictions, and many events were cancelled or postponed during 2020 and 2021. Telework became much more common for white-collar workers as the pandemic evolved. Misinformation circulated through social media and mass media, and political tensions intensified. The pandemic raised issues of racial and geographic discrimination, health equity, and the balance between public health imperatives and individual rights. |
The pandemic caused severe social and economic disruption around the world, including the largest global recession since the Great Depression. [5] Widespread supply shortages, including food shortages, were caused by supply chain disruptions and panic buying. Reduced human activity led to an unprecedented temporary decrease in pollution. Educational institutions and public areas were partially or fully closed in many jurisdictions, and many events were cancelled or postponed during 2020 and 2021. Telework became much more common for white-collar workers as the pandemic evolved. Misinformation circulated through social media and mass media, and political tensions intensified. The pandemic raised issues of racial and geographic discrimination, health equity, and the balance between public health imperatives and individual rights. |
The WHO ended the PHEIC on 5 May 2023. [2] COVID-19 continues to circulate, but as of 2024, experts were uncertain as to whether it was still a pandemic. [6] [7] Pandemics and their ends are not well-defined, and whether or not one has ended differs according to the definition used. [6] [8] As of 27 June 2024, COVID-19 has caused 7,051,600 [3] confirmed deaths. The COVID-19 pandemic ranks as the fifth- deadliest pandemic or epidemic in history. |
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Adopt the text laid out above by Crossroads in the End of Pandemic section, into the lead.
Located in COVID-19_pandemic#Background I propose we remove this statement "(lab leak theories)...these are not supported by evidence." [1] Justification is the RS is outdated, and does not accurately summarize the lead of the COVID-19 lab leak theory article. Furthermore the present NIH source has a couple of issues: first NIH has a COI with Wuhan lab (it funded the lab) so we should be skeptical of this source in wikivoice as well as the fact if editors believe the source, it is now outdated being from 2021. Is there a more recent source or we just drop the statement? Thanks! Jtbobwaysf ( talk) 09:27, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
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Jtbobwaysf ( talk) 09:27, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
Hi! Currently the last paragraph in the lead states "COVID-19 continues to circulate, but as of 2024, experts were uncertain as to whether it was still a pandemic. Pandemics and their ends are not well-defined, and whether or not one has ended differs according to the definition used." COVID-19 is a disease affecting the body, SARS-CoV-2 is the virus that is continuing to mutate and circulate. But rather than change the term, I would advise outright removing this text from the lead. Wikipedia is here spending more words on the semantics of what constitutes a pandemic (39 words) than the opening text in the paragraph on the immediate crisis ("The pandemic caused severe social and economic disruption around the world...") (35 words). Way, way, way undue weight given to the semantics of pandemics. I'd also add that most people reading probably don't care about the status of COVID as a pandemic or not, but care more about whether they actually have it or not, so if you indeed have the space for adding extra words, Wikipedia could replace the text of pandemic classification to instead note Long COVID and continuing societal ramifications like economy, increased anti-science sentiments, supply chain issues, decrease/collapse in educational levels, how even mild infections have shown long-term issues, etc. There's a lot of material to pick from, so semantics of pandemic declaration seems a little silly to me. 2001:2042:6A0F:100:461:E697:9DEF:15B0 ( talk) 10:51, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
COVID-19 is a disease affecting the body, SARS-CoV-2 is the virus that is continuing to mutate and circulate.An infectious disease can accurately be described as circulating as well.
Wikipedia is here spending more words on the semantics of what constitutes a pandemic (39 words) than the opening text in the paragraph on the immediate crisis- The equivalent comparator is the total text (on the topic in the lead), not just the opening phrase of a paragraph. That paragraph is 115 words.
I'd also add that most people reading probably don't care about the status of COVID as a pandemic or not- this has not been borne out by the editing and talk page activity for the last year and a half; at this point in time it is a significant aspect. Remember that this article is about a specific historical event (even if it may not have definitely ended quite yet); if people are interested in "whether they have it or not", they should primarily be looking at our comprehensive article on COVID-19, the disease itself.
I suggest we clean up some of the entries in Talk:COVID-19 pandemic/Current consensus by formally considering them obsolete (or cancelled, or whatever term) by talk page discussion. They are outdated and not in line with the current WP:GA version of the article, being artifacts of the very early pandemic. Namely:
2. The infobox should feature a per capita count map most prominently, and a total count by country map secondarily. ( RfC March 2020)This has not been done in ages, and seems to be contradicted by point 7 anyway. Case counts have not been anywhere close to accurate, or even tracked all that much, for years now.
3. The article should not use {{
Current}}
at the top. (
March 2020)
Pointless visual clutter that is an artifact of those fast-moving days of March 2020; no one is going to add such a template now, and I bet no one has tried for years.5. Include subsections covering the domestic responses of Italy, China, Iran, the United States, and South Korea. Do not include individual subsections for France, Germany, the Netherlands, Australia and Japan. ( RfC March 2020) Include a short subsection on Sweden focusing on the policy controversy. ( May 2020)This hasn't been an accurate description of the article for ages; the Responses section has subsections for each continent, not for countries, and given the pandemic's global spread since March 2020 it doesn't make any sense to regulate which countries are mentioned like this anyway (for example, Australia is covered now). Sweden has a short paragraph under Europe, which is all it needs, not a subsection.
7. There is no consensus that the infobox should feature a confirmed cases count map most prominently, and a deaths count map secondarily. ( May 2020)Again, a case count map would be inaccurate now anyway, and a "no consensus" entry is an odd thing to have on a list of consensuses.
Are we agreeable that some or all of these can be collapsed and marked as obsolete? 2 and 5 are especially an issue since they are at odds with the article's state, but 3 and 7 also seem outdated in their own ways. Crossroads -talk- 17:49, 14 June 2024 (UTC)