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Starting a page with "1."? and no capitalisation? something wrong here. Also, isn't there a common English title? The opening paragraph refers it as "first National Hockey League"? Is that simply a translation or the common English name? Masterhatch ( talk) 18:50, 15 December 2008 (UTC) reply

We use the 1.some foreign league for a number of foreign lower level leagues because usually only the top level league has a common english name. - Djsasso ( talk) 18:53, 15 December 2008 (UTC) reply
I think, that the common english name is Czech First League. -- VoletyVole ( talk) 21:39, 17 December 2008 (UTC) reply
As a personal opinion, I think the English name would be preferable as the title, with the Czech name listed prominiently in the lead. Reso lute 01:05, 18 December 2008 (UTC) reply
Yup, I have no problem with that. I just didn't know what the common english name might be for this league. - Djsasso ( talk) 02:31, 18 December 2008 (UTC) reply
We do have an implementation of Swiss 1. Liga, where "Liga" is the German word. We could move to Czech 1. národní hokejová liga or simply Czech 1. liga. -- Bamsefar75 ( talk) 19:58, 18 December 2008 (UTC) reply

next question

ok then, next question: is the league notable enough? a google search only gets 300 hits. Being a second level league, are there any professional stars that play in the league? Masterhatch ( talk) 19:01, 15 December 2008 (UTC) reply

From what I can understand of it, it's the second highest league in the Czech Republic, below the Extraliga. I would say that it would be the Czech version of the AHL. Now I could be wrong, but I do believe some players have been drafted from the league before, though I can't think of any off the top of my head. As for precidence, we do have several second tier European leagues: HockeyAllsvenskan (Sweden), National League B (Switzerland), 2nd Bundesliga (ice hockey) (Germany), and Russian Supreme League (Russia, prior to the KHL). The article just needs to be touched up so it doesn't look so bare, but I would say it deserves to stay. Kaiser matias ( talk) 19:43, 15 December 2008 (UTC) reply
Simply put, it's a professional hockey league. Title wise, just look at 2. Fußball-Bundesliga. Notability wise, everything Kaiser mentioned is dead on. "Are there any professional stars that play in the league" is not a question to be asked when determining notability. There aren't many stars in the top professional hockey leagues of many ice hockey league, or in, say, the Bristol Downs Football League, the 24th level of the English football league system, but they all still have articles. Heck, how many stars are in the All American Hockey Association? I can tell you one thing for sure, that is a much lower skilled and less notable league than the second division of Czech hockey. – Nurmsook! talk... 07:23, 16 December 2008 (UTC) reply
Thanks for your input. I was asking these questions because i couldn't find any English sources so I was unable to find any information. Masterhatch ( talk) 16:44, 16 December 2008 (UTC) reply
There is not so many websites which cover this league in English, all is in Czech. But I think this is important league enough for Wikipedia. Some ex-NHL players have been appearing in this league, for example Jan Čaloun. -- VoletyVole ( talk) 21:39, 17 December 2008 (UTC) reply

I think it is nice that the second-level leagues of at least all the top-4 european countries (according to the World Ranking) have an article. I can see that we already have Russian Supreme League, Mestis (also Suomi-sarja, 2. Divisioona), and HockeyAllsvenskan, as Kaiser matias mentioned above. Another reason for having them documented is that many of the top european leagues have qualification/relegation of well-known teams each postseason/offseason based on their results (league members dont stay static as the NHL is supposed to do). Adding articles for the level below Slovak Extraliga and the former Czechoslovak First Ice Hockey League (whatever they are/were called) would seem like a logical evolution to me. -- Bamsefar75 ( talk) 23:19, 17 December 2008 (UTC) reply

I would agree this league is notable. It is basically the Czech equivalent of the American Hockey League. As far as I am concerned, any league that is fully professional is notable. Reso lute 01:05, 18 December 2008 (UTC) reply
The Slovak second division is called 1. hokejová liga SR in Slovak - I think, that English Wikipedia can call it Slovak First League (ice hockey) or something similar. For Czechoslovak, probably Czechoslovakian Second League - but for this league there are even fewer sources for informations. -- VoletyVole ( talk) 08:25, 18 December 2008 (UTC) reply

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