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Okay thanks, I've taken a crack at that.--
EchetusXe 15:55, 17 May 2021 (UTC)reply
I think this is good enough now for GA, I made a few cosmetic tweaks, so I'm happy to promote. I'll take a look at the other one of yours as well, perhaps you could pre-empt my review by considering some of the general points above on that article too? Cheers.
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Desertarun (
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EchetusXe, everything looks good except the hook interest, which I'm willing to AGF on, but can you explain why this is actually interesting? Is it unexpected that by 1993 only three Englishmen had been sent off at Wembley? Would we have expected many more to have been sent off? Are non-English more likely to have been? Could we maybe do an ALT around his being sent off being the turning point in the game? Also, are we concerned about a hook around this being too negative/BLP for the front page? Ping me when you respond or I might miss it! Quite busy IRL right now and I've completely lost control of my watchlist.
—valereee (
talk) 12:49, 28 May 2021 (UTC)reply
Valereee Yes it's unexpected because it is/was the national stadium of the England team, also with significant domestic games played there. I think it would be unexpected for someone with an interest in the game. Looking at it deeper, the explanation would be that in the past it was extremely rare for a player to be sent off in a match, whereas now it's not an unusual event.
This website lists red cards for England players, it shows 4 red cards (all in away matches) in England's first 615 games and 13 red cards in England most recent 256 games. As for it being negative, in the past (say 1950s) it would be a source of shame to be sent off, but nowadays it's accepted as a hazard of the job, so to speak. He seems to boasts about it in his autobiography. I hope that provides some insight, but the hook can still be changed if you think it should be.
EchetusXe 13:27, 28 May 2021 (UTC)reply
I'm fine with both explanations! :) Just doing my due diligence. Good to go!
—valereee (
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