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Major event lists are rarely any good, but the one on music featured in this article is more of a list of album releases, and 60% of the events take place in 1967-69. Anyone cares if I rewrite the part? Sjoerdboersma 19:55, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
First sentence second paragraph it says the 1960's lasted from 1963 to 1971 in the U.S. but it doesnt explain it nor is it sourced... ?-- 12.54.215.166 ( talk) 17:37, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
A section that describes how the main political and cultural trends described in the 60's are often still controversial in their perceived merit and impact should also be included. Room should be made to survey some of the common positive and also common negative perceptions of the 1960s era in the West.
Controversy was the very essence of many of these trends and to leave such a section out is to short-change the subject. Neutrality would be key however, in making such a section work-- any bias in either direction would undermine the trust of many readers in the article.
Lastly, some 60s movements are no longer as controversial as they once were (the Civil Rights movement, for example) whereas others remain very controversial (neo-marxism for example). In any case, controversy was the very fabric of those times-- and some of the political and cultural controversies born during that era still persist in the West today.
66.227.84.101 ( talk) 20:04, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
This article is among the worst I've read here on Wikipedia. It reads almost as if it had been written by John Buckner (Kiefer Sutherland's character in Flashback). It needs expansion, citations, and a neutral and accurate point of view. It needs, as others note below, less focus on US events and trends. It needs a complete overhaul.
I made a few modest changes this afternoon, but these are not even good enough for the sections I worked on. JStripes 22:49, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
This will depend mostly on the age curve of the sixities generation-- agreeing on when it started and when it really significantly tapered off. Many of us-- who appreciate the contributions of that generation, but are now sick of their intolerant and almost complete control of academia and most of the mass media-- which have become venues for hyper-critical America-hating, paranoid dogmatism and all-around obstructionism-- really want to know.
Sean7phil 20:29, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
-If we would answer that, we certainly would do it in a way that doesn't reflect the biased neo-conservative paranoia you just expressed.
It strikes me that the article originally titled "The Sixties" and now renamed here is quite a bit different from a straightforward summary of a decade (as many of the other 1xx0's articles are). Lots of things -- biographical, scientific, historical, etc. -- happened in the "1960s"; a particular subset of cultural change was addressed in "The Sixties", making this article instantly both wildly incomplete and difficult to effectively expand into a more general article. I wonder if we don't need both types of article rather than a simple renaming. Jgm 8 July 2005 22:36 (UTC)
There remains an article on The Seventies that's distinct from the one on the 1970s; consistency suggests that either those should be merged as well, or the '60s ones re-separated. *Dan T.* 23:54, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
A fascinating page, but it should be renamed somehow; I'd rather not do it myself, but perhaps 1960s in the United States. Of course, many of the same events were occurring in Europe at the same time. Would be interesting to learn what the European experience at that time was.
Perhaps the different continents should just have subpages off of each decade's page. Then have the main page highlight the more global events such as the Vietnam war, the sexual revolution etc..
On the same page is the way to go. Many history books attempt to give a disjoint history along geographic/regional boundaries. This does little to encourage a worldwide view of each timeframe. These pages for each decade are meant to be a jumping off point/summary of major events/trends and also to facilitate a continuous timeline of all events/things/people mentioned in wiki. We should avoid anything but short one liners for each trend/topic/event to keep the decade list page readable.
They probably deserve articles. They are each Hall of Famers and have been listed in requested articles. -- Rj 01:25, May 11, 2004 (UTC)
other pages that link to Dick Butkus: Dick Butkus Award Chicago Bears December 9 1942 List of people by name: Bu List of American football players University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
other pages that pages link to Ray Nitschke: List of athletes in movies Green Bay Packers December 29 March 8 1998 1998 in sports List of people by name: Ni User talk:Maveric149/archive 10
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In my opinion, an image of The Beatles in this article would be more relevant than a Woodstock poster. The Beatles were single-handedly the biggest and most influential force on popular music in this century, not just in the UK, but worldwide. The effects of the short duration of their recording career (from 1962 to 1969) are still being felt in almost every genre of music to this day. Does anyone disagree or object to adding an image of The Beatles to this article? -- User:kevinsnow 23:49, 11 July 2005
User 194.46.238.248 added the sentences bolded below to the following paragraph:
I removed those sentences as being a bit POV and non-encyclopedic, but I thought I'd copy them here in case there's any discussion. GTBacchus 23:34, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
I've asked around and apparently a lot icons famous in the 1960s were assassinated (sometimes in the 1960s) such as JFK, Malcolm X, MLK junior and John Lennon, not to mention a lot of civil rights leaders.
Is this more notable then other time periods? Does it deserve special mention?
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ScWizard 15:09, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
Is the statement that the civil rights movement was in earnest in the 50s accurate? I would argue it didn't really gain momentum until the sit-ins in the 1960s. -- Keremm 02:14, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
Yes, the argumant is accurate. For starters, Brown v. Board of Education (1954) was a product of a movement for civil rights that emphasized changing the system from within by the existing rules of that system. Moreover, the organizing done by the SCLC in the 1950s helped give rise other groups in the early 1960s (SNCC, CORE, etc.) that participated in sit-ins and voting rights marches. JStripes 22:09, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
"The 1960s decade refers to the years from 1961 to 1970, inclusive."
"The 1980s decade refers to the years from 1980 to 1989, inclusive."
Now which version is more correct? I'd say the sixties is from 1960 to 1969. The period between 1961 and 1970 would be the 197th decade CE, not the sixties.
– Alensha 寫 词 16:27, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
Removed vandalism and false names.
Should criteria be developed for the listing of individuals on this page? Pending some formula, I've removed all but the most obviously notable figures (using a copy of the Who's Who from 1972). Names can be added back on an individual basis if their notability is assured. Homagetocatalonia 18:19, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
Oh, and make sure that their notable acts are from the 1960s, as to preserve the relevance of the page to the culture of the decade. Homagetocatalonia 18:20, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
FYI...a 1960s template is in the works which will incorporate the people section. — Viriditas | Talk 01:31, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
This page talks mainly of a positive view of the 1960's. It talks nothing of the drug problems and the terrible disgusting things that generation did. The 60's ruined the social cohesion and universal pop culture we had, as well as weakening the west and allowing the communists to go out and invade other countries in the next decade. Also, the price inflation started under LBJ not Nixon. RomanYankee( 24.75.194.50 17:53, 4 April 2007 (UTC))
if you don't like it, change it! ;}
I have added the following quote that is evocative of the prevalent recreational drug use during the decade:
If you can remember anything about the sixties, you weren't really there.
I recently confirmed its authenticity with a Google search, because for many years I had mistakenly thought that it originated from a monologue by George Carlin, but apparently he was just in the habit of repeating it, so many people (myself included) said that they heard him say it first … if Some Other Editor feels that it is in the wrong place, or that it is an inappropriate contribution to begin with, then by all means either move or delete it, but please have the courtesy to leave a comment here, and not just a non-informative Edit summary … Happy Editing! — 72.75.70.147 23:24, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
Tell that to Frank Zappa. JStripes 22:22, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
I've changed the formatting of the quote and added some context for it. It's original highlighting seemed to me one aspect of the distortions proffered by the introductory section: reductionism of the Sixties as a time of rampant drug use, African American civil rights, feminism, and the gay rights movement. All these are important, but they sum up the era poorly. JStripes 14:14, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
Though the page states that the Doors helped to kick start heavy metal music, the Doors are actually known as a part of the proto-punk movement and are rarely, if ever, mentioned in connection with heavy metal. I recommend that 'heavy metal' in the article be changed to 'punk' to be more accurate.
B.T.W., I liked the reworking of the opening section. I agree this article is in real need of a real re-write. I'm too busy on other projects, but I occasionally add to the lists. My biggest problem with this article is that obviously, the person that wrote most of the prose was an American, and the article really reads as a history of 1960s America, rather than the world. My second problem with this article is that it is not really written as prose, but is mostly composed of lists. As much as I love adding to the lists in this article, they probably should be articles on there own, with this article linking to them as per Wikipedia's manual of style suggests. Edit away. P.S., sign your messages -- Abebenjoe 03:43, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
Does anybody feel the sports section is heavily stacked towards American related sports? It seems to be written in a very non-global manner. For example, "The National Hockey League" "The National Basketball Association" "The National Football League". These all refer to American-only sporting events.
The Government section also seems to be written in a non-global manner. It comes across as centered more on American events. —Preceding unsigned comment added by KennedyBaird ( talk • contribs) 00:29, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
I wonder why was Johnny Cash listed among intellectuals and not under artist. Don't get me wrong that I doubt his intelligence, but him being a singer and songwriter, artist is a better category. Intellectual, in my opinion, is to list people working in the feild of science, technology, literature etc. for which specific category is not made as yet. I am moving him to Artists for the time being, in case of dispute please discuss. Vivek Talk!! 17:43, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
"The 1960's were marked by several almost notable assassinations."
ALMOST notable assassinations? What's the ALMOST doing there? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.218.63.71 ( talk) 15:10, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
Who knows MLA style on decades, i.e. "the '60s"? I've written it here in AP style. All too often, one sees "the 60's," which is clearly mistaken as the apostrophe does not take the place of anything omitted. In AP style, it takes the place of "19," but it could also be correct to write it as "the 60s." Who's a style wonk? Sca ( talk) 14:43, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
The entire intro relates to the Western world. Did nothing happen in Africa or the Middle East during the 60's? And I think the Cultural Revolution had a greater impact than hippies did. EamonnPKeane ( talk) 11:16, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
I have been using this page to help me with a school project on which I was writing about prejudice in the 1960s. This article didn't help me very much with that, I got a few slides and found some more information somewhere else but I think that more information on this topic would be useful to others doing similar projects (for example the black man that the whites objected to joining their university). I would add some information myself but I do not know that much about the matter, I wasn't alive in the sixties. Please could someone add something on this matter for other's benefit? Lowri ( talk) 09:00, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
There are some references of 60's artists, optical art, optical illusion, kinectic art, interactivity and related subjects at http://opartreferences.multiply.com (blog by kiki jaguaribe)
Kiki jaguaribe ( talk) 08:32, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
The article claims "The 1960s decade was the years from the start of 1960 to the end of 1969," however, isn't 1960 the tenth years of the 1950s? Wasn't this already definitively hashed out at the time of Y2K ie., even though most people celebrated the transition from 1999 to the year 2000, they were technically incorrect to do so.
Doubtless there is a better place for me to raise this issue, rather than on the individual Talk page for the decade of the 1960s; if someone knows where I would more effectively bring this up, please post a link here. Thanks. KevinOKeeffe ( talk) 02:38, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
Seems like an obvious omission, even though we have an article on the Green Revolution in India. DOR (HK) ( talk) 05:41, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
I'm curious to why this image is so American-centric. I can see a reason for all those images being impotant. But I also think there should be something relating to the Decolonization of Africa during this period. -- Kuzwa ( talk) 21:54, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
Wow, an entire article about the hippies and the 60's and hardly anything about what it was, the Marxist Revolution. Especially considering we have a man in office who is associates with one of the terrorist drugged-out "anti-war" hippies, Bill Ayers, who wrote a Marxist Manifesto and is buddies with both Wright and Obama who are members of a church of Black Liberation Theology which is based in Marxism, and that the current president also had as a childhood mentor, Frank Marshall Davis, an infamous Communist from that period who was investigated by the government for planning to overthrow the government.
Imagine that, unbiased Wiki. NOT. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.12.198.163 ( talk) 13:56, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
We need to reach a consensus on the final selection of images included in the 1960s montage on the top of the page through a discussion (and not through edit wars) which would include (hopefully) many Wikipedians.
The current montage is composed of the following images:
Please share your opinion on this matter BELOW supplying reasons for or against the current images included and/or supply alternative suggestions. TheCuriousGnome ( talk) 19:57, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
Add suggested imagery here:... Modernist ( talk) 20:57, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
The article lists the following...
A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami
Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
Billy Graham
C. S. Lewis
Jim Jones
Pope Paul VI
Jones has just been added, and I thought he may be inappropriate, but that list is so weird he probably fits! What are we really trying to achieve under this heading? HiLo48 ( talk) 06:23, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
I think we can lose this section... Modernist ( talk) 12:09, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
Please add a Fair Use Rationale before using that image, thanks... Modernist ( talk) 23:56, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
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It says in the article that it ended in the 1950s, unless its wrong it needs to be taken out - Annonymous the cuban revolution was when the people came and had sex with other people from cuba thats how we got mixed kids — Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.219.152.33 ( talk) 15:12, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
undermining its validity and making for bias and limited use. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.49.156.22 ( talk) 07:25, 23 August 2011 (UTC) yes — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.207.122.117 ( talk) 01:17, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
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Is "Turbulent Sixties" a common name for the decade? serioushat 20:56, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
Disc sports began in the 60s as an alternative to ball sports. Mostly played and promoted by 60s hippies. It is one of the few activities that have actually grown in popularity from that time. I’ve added a brief description to the Sports section of this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.1.219.120 ( talk) 16:27, 19 October 2013 (UTC)
"... Also Henry Thoreau, Henry Miller, Alan Watts, and James Campbell[disambiguation needed], work had been credited as well." First of all, this sentence isn't even a sentence as the possessive isn't used. What is the writer trying to say?
Also Henry David Thoreau doesn't even belong to the 1900s let alone the 1960s (1817- 1862).
And who is the James Campbell that is being referred to? The only author listed in the disambiguation page is Scottish while the focus all along in this article is on USA. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.95.23.166 ( talk) 07:51, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
Seven of the eight main photos pertain to events in or concerning the United States and Americans. Anyone else think this is disproportionate? fishhead64 ( talk) 23:03, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
Great entry but barely addresses politics and popular culture in other countries, especially non-western countries.
Let's add content not simply related to United States History. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:30A:2CE1:9390:B1AB:C0A7:1:F7CA ( talk) 00:39, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
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The lead says about the non-literal meaning of 'the Sixties', "This "cultural decade" is more loosely defined than the actual decade, beginning around 1963 with the Kennedy assassination and ending around 1972 with the Watergate scandal." I suppose not many people outside of the USA would see those two events as the delimiters of the Sixties, although I would not know what other countries like the U.K. would use. (In the Netherlands, one sometimes sets Provo as the starting point and the oil crisis of 1973 as the end.) Bever ( talk) 14:28, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
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I deleted the reference to the South-East Asian countries (many of) "that gained independence their independence" during this period. Certainly some created new associations (Singapore, Sabah and Sarawak with Malaya) but no others needed to, except Vietnam.
There is much outside of pop culture needed to be included, things such as fighting for or against communism by proxy (Cuba missile crisis, Vietnam, Indonesia's anti-communist/anti-Chinese actions, and elsewhere). The rise of business computers from IBM, great expansion of science education at all levels in the USA, mass media expansion through television, and the transister).
It would be nice to see comment about cultural things in other countries than the US too!
I have grown fascinated with The Sixties as a cultural revolution and all the turmoil and societal change the occured during this period of time. I came here to get a more encyclopedic look at this fascinating era, and found the article remarkably lacking. Perhaps a seperate article, The Sixties, needs to be created to allow both a rough and dirty approach (this page) of the decade as a span of time, and also another page to show the impressive and cultural changes that took place during this time.
I was not alive during the sixties, so I therefore cannot do the writing myself, but I'm certain someone could do this.
During the late 1980s and early 1990s there were many movies made about the sixties and that had references to the sixties. Elements of the sixties could also be seen in the popularity of certain clothes and other retail items (e.g. bell bottoms, peace signs, smiley faces). Someone once told me that pop culture goes in 20 year cycles. The end of the sixties era was actually around 1974. In 1994 another pop culture era was coming to an end, one that borrowed a lot of styles from the sixties. Does anyone know of an article that describes this phenomenon?
In 1994 another pop culture era was coming to an end, one that borrowed a lot of styles from the sixties. Does anyone know of an article that describes this phenomenon? ' Of course, in 1994 another pop culture era was coming to an end: it was the end of the "Generation-X-era". The "Generation-X-era" was marked by what was called the "grunge movement" (in music, and in the way the youngsters and adolescents dressed); which was represented by the American pop band Nirvana. This era finished whwn the leader of Nirvana, Kurt Cobain, killed himself on April 5 1994. So, that's right: in 1994, another pop culture was coming to an end. And the "grunge" movement was a repetition, in some way -or in most of the ways- of the philosophy and way of living -thinking, music forms, etc- of the sixties. Yes, it was a repetition: as you've said, pop culture goes in 20 year cycles. 20, or maybe 15, or... whatever year cycles. So, it was a repetition of a cycle. ==
This struck me as hilariously ridiculous. what kirson writes this?
The 1960s, or The Sexy Sixties, in its most obvious sense refers to the decade between 1960 and 1969, you may not have understood that you poor soul but the expression has taken on a wider meaning over the past twenty years.
You poor soul....???? Who writes these things? Someone should seriously revisit this article about the sixties, since apparently the article includes a lot of unencyclopedic material. For a decade as important as the 60s, this page needs improvement. SirCollin 11:02 8 October 2005 (UTC)
Is that even a real picture of woodstock? I don't recall a stage like that...:)
Do we really need to tell people the sixties went from jan 1 to dec 31? i mean , isn't it slightly obvious? ;}
Possibly something to be said about the rapid decolonisation in areas of Africa and Asia no longer under European rule?
The claim that the student movements in Italy and France could forge a connection with the communist parties there is untrue. The PCF strongly looked down on the students, George Marchais labeling Cohn-Bendit disparagingly, and in Italy, the number of young people joining the PCI in fact declined in this period - it is widely acknowledged that the PCI failed to assimilate with the students' demands.