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Obviously, I am a newbie. My recent Draft:Bob Miller (composer, born 1895) submission was changed after I submitted it to include the "composer, born 1895" bit. I realize this has to be done to disambiguate from all the Robert Miller entries. But I think "composer" is a little misleading in this case. Does anyone know how I can change it to be "songwriter, born 1895?" Or is "composer, born 1895" the best way to go? Joelcrob ( talk) 15:31, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
- The article can't be called "Bob Miller" because we already have Bob Miller, which redirects to Robert Miller, which is a disambiguation page. The convention around name disambiguation is at WP:NCPDAB. We already have Robert Miller (composer). When we have two people with the same disambiguating tag ("composer" in this case) we add the birth date, and that's what was done here. The other possibility would be Bob Miller (composer). I'm not sure which I prefer. GA-RT-22 ( talk) 16:02, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
- Or if you think "songwriter" is best I would go ahead and rename it (the "move" button) and maybe even leave out the "born 1895". If you do that, leave hatnotes on both pages. GA-RT-22 ( talk) 16:05, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
- Don't forget music publishing and "Bob Miller, Inc." his publishing company
- the man of many many pseudonyms
Tillywilly17 (
talk) 19:31, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
- Palmer Trio (Musical group) Pseudonym on Bluebird, Sunrise issues for Bob Miller Trio.
- Burnett Brothers (Vocal group) Pseudonym on Vi 23745 for Bob Miller Trio.
- Bob Miller Trio Listing on Par R 1154 for Miller's Bullfrog Entertainers.
- Sherman and Lee Listing for Miller's Bullfrog Entertainers.
- Sherman and Lee (Musical group) Listing on VT and Cl issues for Miller's Bullfrog Tutters
- Bob Ferguson and his Scalawaggers Pseudonym for Bob Miller and his Hinky Dinkers.
- Bill Palmer (vocalist) Pseudonym for Bob Miller.
- Bob Ferguson (vocalist) Pseudonym for Bob Miller.
- Bob Kackley (vocalist) Listing on OK 45531 for Bob Miller.
- Bob Sherman (vocalist) Listing on VT 2400-V and Cl 5336-C for Bob Miller.
- Trebor Rellim (composer) Pseudonym for Bob Miller.
- Slick Palmer (vocalist) Pseudonym on Sun S-3112, BB B-5012 and 1826 for Bob Miller.
- Ben Weaver (vocalist) Listing on OK 45531 for Barney Burnett.
- Bud Skidmore (vocalist) Pseudonym on Col 15761-D for Bob Miller
- Miller and Burnett (Vocal group)
- Bob Miller Trio
- A. Sirillo (instrumentalist : guitar)
- Bob Miller (vocalist)
- Frank Novak (instrumentalist : violin)
- Barney Burnett (instrumentalist : guitar)
Tillywilly17 (
talk) 19:37, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
- Along with Billy Hill and Carson Robison, Bob Miller was among the pioneering professional songwriters who specialized in what was then called hillbilly music. Miller wrote some of the biggest hits of the 1930s and '40s and was also a prolific recording artist.
- Born in 1895 in Ansonia, Connecticut, Bob and his four siblings were placed in an orphanage in Memphis, Tennessee, around 1904 after their parents died in a house fire. By age 10, Bob, who was a formally trained musician, began working professionally as a pianist. In his early twenties, he performed in the dance band that sailed on the Mississippi River aboard the showboat Idlewild. He also worked in the Memphis nightclub Dreamland and opened his own Beale Street Music Shop.
- In 1928, Miller moved to New York, where he initially worked as a copyist and arranger for Irving Berlin Music. He formed his own publishing company in 1933, and also worked as an A&R man and record producer for the Columbia and Okeh labels.
- Bob Miller has more than a thousand registered song copyrights, although many of those are public-domain folk songs, Christmas carols and 19th-century Stephen Foster chestnuts that he arranged, rather than wrote. But he did truly compose a number of songs that became enormous country favorites.
- His biggest early hit was the prison song "Twenty-One Years." During The Great Depression, this song was so popular and was sung by so many artists that Miller wrote a number of follow-up songs to it, including "Twenty-One Years, Part Two," "New Twenty-One Years," "Answer to Twenty-One Years," "Woman's Answer to Twenty-One Years," "After Twenty-One Years," "The End of Twenty-One Years" and "The Last of the Twenty-One Year Prisoner."
- Similarly, "Seven Years with the Wrong Woman" was so omnipresent in Depression-era country music that it also spawned sequels. These included, inevitably, "Seven Years with the Wrong Man" and, humorously, "Seven Beers with the Wrong Woman" and "Seven Beers with the Wrong Man."
- Perhaps his most enduring song from the Depression was the sentimental "Rocking Alone in an Old Rocking Chair," which is still sung by folk and country performers today.
- Miller's activity in the 1940s was no less impressive. His million-selling "There's a Star Spangled Banner Waving Somewhere," recorded by Elton Britt, was one of the biggest hits of World War II. That song, too, spawned a sequel in 1960 when Dave McEnery combined Miller’s melody with new lyrics for "There's a Star Spangled Banner Waving Somewhere #2 - The Ballad of Francis Powers" in tribute to U-2 pilot Francis Gary Powers, whose plane was shot down over the Soviet Union. Miller’s "Chime Bells," also recorded by Elton Britt, became a yodeling standard.
- Bob Miller wrote and recorded under a number of pseudonyms, including Shelby Darnell, Bob Kackley, Lawrence Wilson, Dinny Dimes and Trebor Rellim — which was his name spelled backwards.
Tillywilly17 (
talk) 19:39, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
- Bob was a very busy guy in the 1930s, not necessarily as a performer. My impression is that he generated a lot of income from music publishing. You have an extensive songwriting list, I am pretty
- sure he published a lot of that music, too. Forgive me, I did a bunch of research months ago, and I am speaking from memory. If you are interested, I can send you a copy of my notes. Dave
I Want to Be a Cowboy's Sweetheart
- "I Wanna Be a Cowboy's Sweetheart"
- Song by Patsy Montana Acc. by Prairie Ramblers
- B-side "Ridin' Old Paint"
- Written 1934
- Published 1935 Bob Miller, Inc. Universal - On Backstreet Music Inc. 1965
- Released November 1935
- Recorded August 16, 1935
- Studio ARC Studios, New York City
- Genre Country (Hillbilly), Western
- Label Melotone 51156
- Songwriter(s) Patsy Montana
- Producer(s) Art Satherley Tillywilly17 ( talk) 15:24, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
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Regarding "1930 in Country Music", a significant omission is "When It's Springtime in the Rockies" by either Ford & Glenn or by Hilo Hawaiian Orch feat. Frank Luther & Carson Robison. You have included Carson Robison elsewhere but not here. As a country-tinged song, it was a megahit, second only to Prisoner's Song. Then Gene Autry also recorded the song in 1937. So "Rockies" belongs on the list both of these years, in my view. Also, how about some mention in the of George Reneau in 1924, 1925? Edward Foote Gardner, Author: Popular Songs of the Twentieth Century" Paragon House 2000 108.2.192.69 ( talk) 22:47, 17 February 2023 (UTC)
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