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The article's current title is the result of one editor's declaration in February 2022 that the dish originated in a German-speaking territory of Italy, so the German name should be used. The current request is for the Italian title to be restored, but the requester offered no evidence on whether that really is more common, and none of the sources in the article address the matter. I suggest finding further evidence that one of these really is the original title of the dish, and if a reliable source confirms one over the other, then that will be the article title here. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (
TALK|
CONTRIBS) 16:51, 28 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Kyon Hwon→Kyŏn Hwŏn (currently a redirect back to
Kyon Hwon) (
move·discuss) –
WP:NCKO does not prohibit the use of diacritics in article titles about people; a close reading of the policy tells that the restriction about not using diacritics in article titles is actually specifically for places. See talk page of NCKO; we discuss this nuance on there.
toobigtokale (
talk) 02:12, 28 March 2024 (UTC)reply
I was aware of that but I don't see any benefit in reverting when no-one has (to my knowledge) expressed any objection to that undiscussed move (I for one agree that there is no primary topic). My main concern is the
WP:MISPLACED disambiguation page title.
A7V2 (
talk) 05:26, 29 March 2024 (UTC)reply
@
JackkBrown, as you can see in
Jota, there are many other topics related to this term. I don't think the article you are requesting qualifies as a primary topic (
WP:PRIMARYTOPIC) to be able to place it at
Jota. Instead
Jota (food) would be more suitable.
Annh07 (
talk) 07:39, 29 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Well, technically I don’t see the issue. It’s an undiscussed move in a remote corner and there’s no hard deadline to grandfather the move in. There is a solid
WP:PRIMARYTOPIC argument (if you exclude the war-related coverage of
Yampil, Donetsk Oblast) so RMUM why not?
Primary topic grabs are, by definition, not uncontroversial.
162 etc. (
talk) 01:14, 29 March 2024 (UTC)reply
According to what policy? If something is very clearly the primary topic, I'm not at all sure why a move would be considered contested or controversial.
Loytra (
talk) 02:14, 29 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Socialist Unity Party has gone from primary redirect to dabpage, then back to primary redirect, then back to dabpage. See
WP:RMCM: "A move is potentially controversial if (...) there has been any past debate about the best title for the page; someone could reasonably disagree with the move."162 etc. (
talk) 04:21, 29 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Only one source cited in the article has the song name in its title, and it uses "Around". The apostrophe seems needed to indicate the omission of the "A" at the beginning of that word. The
Carl Sandburg source uses "Comin' Round", which also has an apostrophe, although in a different place. —
BarrelProof (
talk) 00:26, 26 March 2024 (UTC)reply
WP:NCFILM asks us to use "the title under which it has been released in cinemas or on video in the English-speaking world." Has this film seen an English-language release, and if so, what title was used?
162 etc. (
talk) 16:33, 25 March 2024 (UTC)reply
It seems highly unlikely to me that this dual name is really the common name - people probably call it one or the other, not both.
* Pppery *it has begun... 15:42, 24 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Thank you for your reply. It seems the name Fribourg/Freiburg is used by the different railways operators that stop at this station.
Do you have any sources indicating this change? We need reliable sources that are independent of the subject which use the new name in the body text, ideally. You can check
WP:NAMECHANGES for more info on what to look for.
ASUKITE 15:33, 20 March 2024 (UTC)reply
There aren't a huge number of independent sources about this organisation, and those that I can see seem to be mostly news articles written at the time it was set up in 2015. For example
[2][3][4]. The sources in the article generally don't mention it as well. As such, I'm not convinced it even meets
WP:GNG, and even if it does, the
WP:NAMECHANGES bar isn't met, as no secondary sources use the new name. As a final point, the name Psynapse currently points to a Marvel character, and I think that might be at least as much of a contender for primary topic as the organisation. —
Amakuru (
talk) 07:48, 21 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Is the natural disambiguator not the preferred article title? Given the article says He styled himself as I think its an appropriate location, or could at least be disputed. I think this might need a move discussion.
microbiologyMarcuspetri dish·
growths 11:37, 25 March 2024 (UTC)reply
As usual,
WP:NAMECHANGES evidence is required here. Are reliable sources routinely using the new name? "Paddle UK" sounds more like a trademark or gimmicky title than the actual name that's likely to be commonly used, but I could be wrong. —
Amakuru (
talk) 23:23, 27 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Fixed the request to have the current title (and a sig). It hasn't been at
Congregationalist church (with -ist) since 2004.
SilverLocust💬 07:13, 29 March 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Dirkwillems: While this would follow the example of Presbyterian(ism/ polity), that example alone doesn't create a naming convention. It seems quite likely that there would be different views on how to title this and which article (if any) would be the primary topic for "
Congregationalism" (it currently redirects to the other article,
Congregationalist polity, as a
WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT as
asserted almost 4 years ago). This move is
potentially controversial, so it would require a requested-move discussion, which you can begin by clicking "discuss" on your request. You can remove this request after opening a discussion (or if you do not want to continue).
SilverLocust💬 07:27, 29 March 2024 (UTC)reply
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Discuss) – Abkhazia → Republic of Abkhazia – The article looks like a chaotic mix of different kind of informations about historical Abkhazia, separatist Republic of Abkhazia and Autonomous Republic of Abkhazia within Georgia. This looks confusing. The historical region of Abkhazia should have its own page Abkhazia (region) like
Syria (region). Politically, there is separatist Republic of Abkhazia, and there is also Autonomous Republic of Abkhazia within Georgia. The world (except five rogue states) recognizes Abkhazia as territory of Georgia. There should not be priority given to separatist narrative. Separatist Republic of Abkhazia should have its own article
Republic of Abkhazia, where its history and controversy would be discussed. Separatist Republic of Abkhazia should not be portrayed as heir to historical Abkhazia and the name Abkhazia should not be appropriated by it, this is violation of NPOV and FRINGE. Currently, the name Abkhazia is given to Republic of Abkhazia, because this article with the name of Abkhazia begins with the claim that Abkhazia is a partially recognized state. Why does not it begins with such text "Abkhazia is a region of Georgia"? This is violation of NPOV. Create separate article for separatist republic. This article Abkhazia should be disambiguous page, redirecting to separatist Republic of Abkhazia, Autonomous Republic of Abkhazia and Abkhazia (region). Most of the Wikipedia pages linked to this article are named Republic of Abkhazia: Georgian, Spanish, French, even Russian and Abkhazian wikipedia articles.
Vnar123 (
talk) 05:15, 29 March 2024 (UTC)reply
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Discuss) – Mini Metro (video game) →
Mini Metro – I think that the additional disambiguation is not required because there is no other article with the exact match. We have
MiniMetro, about the people mover. Also, the
mini Metro dab is not even mentioned in the
light rail page so not sure why its listed in the dab article. There is a discussion about the same thing, but its been 6 years and its been more than reasonable enough time to request another one. A case of
WP:DIFFCAPS and
WP:SMALLDETAILS may apply here. A dab page may not be necessary so could be a case of G14ing it.
JuniperChill (
talk) 00:28, 29 March 2024 (UTC)reply
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Discuss) – Calvinism → Reformed Christianity – This article is devoted to the "major branch of Protestantism", not the narrower subjects of Calvinist theology like the
five points or the personal
Theology of John Calvin, the latter more often and appropriately called "Calvinism." "Reformed" is the broader name for the tradition preferred in the academy and among the churches themselves. Please see recent discussion on
talk page.
NGram is less helpful than usual because these terms have varied uses.
Dirkwillems (
talk) 19:43, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
Dirkwillems (
talk) 19:42, 28 March 2024 (UTC)reply
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Discuss) – Anarchist St. Imier International → Anti-Authoritarian International – In my experience, the term "Anti-Authoritarian International" appears to be the
common name for this organisation in historical sources.
[10] I rarely see it referred to as the "Anarchist International", as the term "anarchist" wasn't even formally adopted by members of the organisation until after it had already collapsed (see Graham 2019, p. 339). But we do know that they referred to themselves as "anti-authoritarians", in order to distance themselves from the Marxist International.
Grnrchst (
talk) 11:22, 19 March 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.Natg 19 (
talk) 16:38, 28 March 2024 (UTC)reply
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Discuss) – Legal status of fictional pornography depicting minors → Legal status of fictional child pornography – I am making a move request as
User:EggRoll97 has reverted my move using with the basis of
WP:RMUM. According to
WP:RMUM; Autoconfirmed editors may move a page without discussion if all of the following apply: No article exists at the new target title; 'There has been no previous discussion about the title of the page that expressed any objection to a new title; and It seems unlikely that anyone would reasonably disagree with the move.' & 'If you disagree with a prior bold move, and the new title has not been in place for a long time, you may revert the move yourself.' My move was done on the basis of
WP:CONCISE &
WP:PRECISE, as 'child pornography' is much shorter and more concise than 'pornography depicting minors', & the page for
Child pornography is not titled '
Pornography depicting minors', or maybe rename it to 'Legal status of
simulated child pornography', To fit with the aforementioned article. Why would you object to this?
Formerlychucks (
talk) 11:35, 19 March 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.Natg 19 (
talk) 16:37, 28 March 2024 (UTC)reply
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Discuss) – Turkish occupation of northern Syria → Turkish intervention in the Syrian civil war – I propose this title change for two reasons: A) to be in line with:
Wikipedia:NPOVTITLE. Türkiye and Syrian opposition groups (Syrian National Army) would argue that the Turkish military presence in Northern Syria is not an occupation at all. The Syrian government is the one arguing that it is an occupation. A middle ground between these two sides is that the Turkish military is just involved in the civil war. What is not NPOV is to simplify this immensely complicated situation by calling it a Turkish occupation. There is also the matter of:
Wikipedia:CONSISTENT. This article title is not consistent with the article title for the
US intervention in the Syrian civil war. Both Türkiye and the United States have troops on the ground in Syria, which were not invited by the government of Syria. The article about the United States' troop deployments takes a much more NPOV than this article does.
Seisachtheia (
talk) 15:26, 28 March 2024 (UTC)reply
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Discuss) – Genital modification and mutilation → Genital modification – Fails
WP: CRITERIA. 1.) It lacks precision, as it encompasses related but dissimilar topics, often being misinterpreted by users to mean that all genital modifications listed on the page are mutilations. 2.) It fails the criteria of concision. As all genital mutilations are forms of genital modifications, genital modification would suffice. (e.g. It is like if a page was termed "List of dogs and bulldogs" instead of "List of dogs") 3.) It fails the criteria of neutrality, as it implies to readers (problematically) that
gender-affirming surgery,
labiaplasty,
circumcision, and
pearling are mutilation. It also associates "modification" with exclusively negative changes. To make it meet
WP: NPOV, you'd have to add "enhancement" or another positive term, a proposal that would further fail the criteria of concision. 4.) The title goes against article precedents surrounding
body modification articles. All of which leave out titles that give positive or negative personal judgements.
KlayCax (
talk) 03:30, 26 February 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.estar8806 (
talk)
★ 13:09, 28 March 2024 (UTC)reply
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Discuss) – Joint Light Tactical Vehicle →
Joint Light Tactical Vehicle competition – There are basically two extremely similar articles about the JLTV.
Actually three.
Joint Light Tactical Vehicle resembles an article about the development program, while
Oshkosh L-ATV is about the JLTV selected for production. There is enough content for two articles, but I would guess that most people searching for "JLTV" would expect to find an article about the production vehicle than the competition that produced it. Background: "L-ATV" was the marketing name for the truck originally designed by Oshkosh for the JLTV program, which Oshkosh won in 2015. Presumably Oshkosh did not wish to tie the vehicle's success to the JLTV program, and so branded it as Each branch of the U.S. military calls it the "JLTV". Oshkosh usually refers to the L-ATV as the JLTV, although
very occasionally Oshkosh will market a variant of the JLTV as an L-ATV on their own initiative. Here is a
press release where Oshkosh announces the sale of "JLTVs", not "L-ATVs", to European countries. AM General will take over production of the JLTV from Oshkosh at the end of the year. They will be calling their version the
JLTV A2. If this move is carried out there should be a section about the competition with a pointer to
Joint Light Tactical Vehicle competition.
Schierbecker (
talk) 02:44, 28 March 2024 (UTC)reply
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Discuss) – Shrovetide → Pre-Lent – This article was originally named 'Pre-Lenten Season' and this is what it describes. It was
renamed 'Shrovetide' in 2016, based on a single reference that gives an incorrect definition (Gardner 2008). Shrovetide is however only the final three days of this period: the Oxford English Dictionary defines it as 'The period comprising Quinquagesima Sunday and the two following days, ‘Shrove’ Monday and Tuesday'. Shrovetide is identical to
Carnival, which already has its own article. The pre-Lenten period is variously called 'pre-Lent', 'pre-Lenten period', 'pre-Lenten season', 'Septuagesima—Sexagesima—Quinquagesima', 'Septuagesima', 'Gesimatide', 'weeks before Lent' and probably other things – since it isn't a proper season, it doesn't have a formal name. (Cf. 'Vorpassionszeit' in German, 'Domenica di Settuagesima' in Italian.) 'Pre-Lent' is the most descriptive and neutral name that I can find in current scholarship, but I can see arguments for some of the other labels.
AndrewNJ (
talk) 02:56, 4 February 2024 (UTC) This is a contested technical request (
permalink).
AndrewNJ (
talk) 10:01, 5 February 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.Vanderwaalforces (
talk) 17:13, 3 March 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.Sennecaster (
Chat) 02:19, 28 March 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Death of Nex Benedict → Suicide of Nex Benedict – I am formally requesting a move for this page and initiating a move discussion. The Oklahoma medical examiner released a full autopsy report which states that Nex Benedict died of suicide. Nex's family does not dispute the factual basis of the suicide determination, but does not "want the ruling of suicide to overshadow other findings in the report", including details of injuries sustained from the bathroom altercation which the Benedicts feel "contradict allegations of the assault on Nex being insignificant". At this point, because Nex's family, the medical examiner, and reliable sources describing the incident agree on the suicide determination, viewpoints stating that Nex's death was not a suicide are
WP:FRINGE. Thus, per
WP:NCDEATH, the title must be updated accordingly. Because this is the full report, new details are unlikely to emerge from this point forward. This addresses many of the concerns about rapidly changing information raised earlier after the release of the summary report. Addendum: Many of the replies here are claiming that Benedict's family does contest the ruling per a Washington Post report. This report seems to be incorrect -- it is the only source I could find to make a claim, and it is directly contradicted by reporting from the associated press which states "They did not dispute the coroner’s report finding of a suicide."
[19] Most sources seem to state that the family disputes the characterization of Nex's injuries as not severe; not that the family disputes them as the cause of death. Of course we can't cite our own original research in the article. But take a look at the statement for yourself.
[20] Does the family dispute suicide is the cause of death? I think not.
Peter L Griffin (
talk) 01:00, 28 March 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – William Keen →
William Keen (merchant) – Not seeing a primary topic between the relatively obscure merchant and the relatively obscure various other people with this surname, particularly given the number of minor spelling variations.
BD2412T 23:56, 27 March 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Turki bin Faisal Al Saud → Turki Al-Faisal – While his official name is "Turki bin Faisal Al-Saud", King Faisal's sons are commonly known with the unofficial last name "Al-Faisal". The name "Turki Al-Faisal" is more commonly used than "Turki Al-Saud", see examples
[21][22][23][24][25]High surv (
talk) 11:04, 19 March 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.Natg 19 (
talk) 17:54, 27 March 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Khalid bin Faisal Al Saud → Khalid Al-Faisal – While his official name is "Khalid bin Faisal Al-Saud", King Faisal's sons are commonly known with the unofficial last name "Al-Faisal". The name "Khalid Al-Faisal" is more commonly used than "Khalid Al-Saud" or "Khalid bin Faisal", see examples
[26][27][28][29]High surv (
talk) 11:09, 19 March 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.Natg 19 (
talk) 17:53, 27 March 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Callie and Marie → Squid Sisters – I request this move based on two rationales. First off, these two pages largely concern fictional idol groups and their performances as a whole, rather than a simple collection of unrelated characters. In the series, the groups act as a mascot of each titles (Squid Sisters for Splatoon and Off the Hook for Splatoon 2) with a huge emphasis on their activities together. So it seems the idol groups as article title makes the topic clearer. The second point is that Nintendo itself prefers referring to the idols this way officially. To name a few: *
Splatoon Base is an official website providing factoids of the Splatoon universe. This has a
Music section that introduces its fictional music groups and they have their pages as
Squid Sisters and
Off the Hook. * Nintendo of America runs an advertising program called Squid Research Lab, usually shared through social media. I'll focus on its
official Tumblr run from 2014 to 2021 because it can be viewed without login. This blog posted news for Splatoon 2 during its lifespan and their coverage of Off the Hook preferred to address them as their group name on topics like
concerts or
DLC. The time it called attention to the individual characters, it was when it announced
amiibo toys for both groups and each character could be purchased separately (
[30],
[31]). * Nintendo of America's YouTube channel has uploaded the soundtrack of Splatoon 3, which is credited as in-universe songs from the groups. Both the Squid Sisters (
City of Color,
Tomorrow's Nostalgia Today) and Off the Hook (
Color Pulse,
We're So Back) are referred to as their group names, not "Callie and Marie" or "Pearl and Marina". * The
Pearl and Marina article mentions their appearance as Super Smash Bros. Ultimate spirit. They appear as "Off the Hook".
[32] There were a few attempts to move
Pearl and Marina to
Off the Hook (Splatoon) with
one revert citing
WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Given the official sources above and news outlets following the suit, however, it's clear "Squid Sisters" and "Off the Hook" are the primary names.
Emiya Mulzomdao (
talk) 15:16, 19 March 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.Natg 19 (
talk) 17:52, 27 March 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Fyappiy →
Feappii –
WP:COMMONNAME: the only anglicized form of the ethnonym Fyappiy is found in the works of
Johanna Nichols (Ghalghaai-ingalsii, Ingalsii-ghalghaai Lughat, 2004; The Origin of the Chechen and Ingush, 2004; Ingush Grammar, 2011, etc.), and that is Feappii.
WikiEditor123… 20:12, 12 March 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.Natg 19 (
talk) 17:42, 27 March 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Mercy Health → Mercy Health (disambiguation) –
Mercy Health (Michigan) has rebranded to Trinity Health Michigan, and I have started
a discussion to change the title of that article. Once that move is done, the Cincinnati-based Mercy Health will be the only organization still using the name "Mercy Health", so it seems that it would be the
primary topic for that name (of course, a hatnote linking to the disambiguation page would need to be added).
IagoQnsi (
talk) 18:04, 10 March 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.Natg 19 (
talk) 17:40, 27 March 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Panti → Rory O'Neill – The article is about O'Neill himself, rather than the character Panti Bliss. O'Neill is not trans; he merely has a stage name that he uses in his drag act. In his everyday/business life, he goes by Rory O'Neill and identifies as a man. Panti Bliss is a stage act, which is only one aspect of his life. I propose renaming this article in O'Neill's own name.
Gatepainter (
talk) 15:16, 9 March 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.Natg 19 (
talk) 17:29, 27 March 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Novogrudok → Navahrudak – Belarusian is the native language of Belarus, so the name should be transliterated from that native language. --
W (
talk) 13:06, 6 March 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.Natg 19 (
talk) 17:25, 27 March 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Greater Helsinki → Helsinki metropolitan area – 1. Some guidelines in
WP:NCGN, but specifically "metropolitan" in the USA guidelines:
WP:USPLACE. 2.Helsinki metropolitan area is by far the most popular way to describe the larger urban area surrounding a large city. In Europe, for example, only a few articles use the word "greater" to describe a metropolitan area. 3. In the Anglo-Saxon language,
Greater Helsinki can be sometimes used, but on official (Finnish municipality) websites this form is only the third most used. Much more popular are
Helsinki metropolitan area and sometimes
Helsinki region. For example, Finnish language documents never use the term "Suur-" (Greater), but either "pääkaupunkiseutu" (Capital region) or "Helsingin seutu" (Helsinki region).
Peltimikko (
talk) 11:16, 27 March 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Synapsid → Synapsida – Subject of the article is a clade so the title should be at the proper clade name. "Synapsida" is more common that "Synapsid" looking on google scholar
[35][36]Hemiauchenia (
talk) 23:44, 26 March 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Sauropsid → Sauropsida – Undiscussed page move. Sauropsida is the actual name of the clade and thus should be preferred as the title, and is over twice as common on scholar as Sauropsid
[37][38]Hemiauchenia (
talk) 23:41, 26 March 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – France Olympic football team → France national under-23 football team – Per
WP:COMMONNAME: sources are referring to this team as the France U23s (
see FFF source.) Also, like in most cases, the "general name" of the team is the under-23s, which "takes the place" of the Olympic team at the Olympics. This is the more general name in that the team also competes in friendly matches outside of the Olympics. And again COMMONNAME.
Paul Vaurie (
talk) 22:28, 26 March 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Negev desert road ambush →
Negev Desert road ambush – Should Negev Desert not be capitalized? I see it appears twice capitalized and once lowercase in the
Negev article. If we're referring to the Negev region and not the desert then maybe 'desert-road' should be hyphenated to make it clear that we're talking about a desert road in the Negev region and not a road in the Negev Desert?
Dennis C. Abrams (
talk) 21:06, 19 March 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.Vanderwaalforces (
talk) 17:23, 26 March 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Tricky (musician) →
Tricky (rapper) – The opening lines of this article say "Tricky, is a British record producer, and rapper". Rapping seems to be his main role in the work he has done. I also do not see anything in the article to say that he is actually a musician because there is no mention of him playing any instruments.
QuintusPetillius (
talk) 13:09, 26 March 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Rivals (Pokémon) →
List of Pokémon rivals – This is very clearly and obviously a list similar to
List of Pokémon characters. It doesn't discuss the concept of a rival in the Pokémon universe, it lists them by appearance. The existence of reception about the rival concept doesn't change that. At its base level it is a spinoff character list.
ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (
ᴛ) 05:45, 26 March 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Omar Suleiman (politician) →
Omar Suleiman – Clearly the main topic, longtime intelligence chief of Egypt and strongman of Mubarak regime. The other names in the disambiguation page dwarf in comparison; one activist with, if at all, only local significance, one wedding singer who got Youtube viral once and that's it, and some young entrepreneur, the redirect views show that no one is looking for his page, but are looking for the Egyptian Suleiman (
1 vs
2). Plus the Egyptian Suleiman's page is more interlinked and crossreferenced within Wikipedia, further indicating the topic is much more significant than the others. (
8 Wikipedia links for the entrepreneur and
299 for the Egyptian intelligience chief. (50, 78 for the two others with signs of the plague of paid editing for the activist to exaggerate significance, e.g. even linked by the page
1986 in the United States and
LeBron James!) Absolutely do not understand how this was moved in the first place and passed as an uncontroversial move / technical request. This is the Omar Suleiman 99% of people would be looking to learn about. A note at the top of the page for other uses of Omar Suleiman amply fulfills the purpose of distinguishing.
Yabroq (
talk) 03:13, 26 March 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Reunification Highway → Pyongyang–Kaesong Motorway – Highway Name is no longer "Reunification Highway" in Korea. Fundamental shift in policy towards the South from the North "makes reunification impossible" (from the DPRK Perspective) and subsequently assumes references to reunification will be nullified.
EVaDiSh (
talk) 21:25, 25 March 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – ICON Park →
Icon Park –
WP:TITLETM /
MOS:ALLCAPS /
MOS:TM. As far as I can tell, "ICON" is just all-caps promotional styling for the word "icon". The two cited Attractions Magazine sources use "Icon" rather than "ICON". So do
this Orlando Weekly article,
this AOL UK article,
this Florida Politics article, etc.. The "about us" information on the amusement park's website just says the amusement park is "iconic", giving no explanation of the term as an abbreviation. Even if some unabbreviated form exists somewhere, it is not frequently provided and not all-capped consistently in independent reliable sources. Some sources do use the all-caps, but it is a mixture, and Wikipedia style is to avoid all-caps in such situations. —
BarrelProof (
talk) 18:23, 25 March 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Véra Nabokova → Véra Nabokov – According to Stacy Schiff's biography Véra, Véra signed her name "Véra Nabokov", "V. Nabokov", or "Mrs. Vladimir Nabokov":
In the early 1950s those letters to which Véra did lend her signature as well as her voice went out from "Véra Nabokov" or from a more neutral "V. Nabokov." As Véra Nabokov she might write, for example, to ask if a publisher might consider adding a reprint edition of Bend Sinister to its list [...] By 1956, when she had begun a testy exchange with Maurice Girodias about perceived violations of the Lolita contract, she settled on a signature that seemed to correspond to her identity, or nonidentity. From these years, and just in time, emerged "Mrs. Vladimir Nabokov," who in her formal Old World script would sign "Véra Nabokov" above her married name, which she typed, in parentheses, as if to mute the potency of the alias.
— Stacy Schiff, Véra (1999)
The spelling "Nabokov" dominates in reliable English-language sources.
Ngrams are very clear.
Jean-de-Nivelle (
talk) 18:03, 25 March 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – List of Korean films of 1919–1948 →
List of films produced in Korea under Japanese rule – I don't agree with the 1948 cutoff as a threshold. See
Cinema of Korea; I think if anything 1945 would make more sense as a dividing line. The Korean Wikipedia and Japanese Wikipedia agrees with me (;; both mean "[List of] films produced in Korea under Japanese rule"). My guess the original rationale for the 1948 line is that North Korea/South Korea were only officially established in 1948. But they de facto existed from 1945 to 1948, and commonly went by those names. I don't think their official establishment is such an important distinction for us to use such an arbitrary dividing line. 1947 and 1949 in North/South Korea were very similar. 1944 and 1946 were extremely different. Furthermore, I'd argue North and South Korean cinema were divided even just months after the 1945 division; North Korea's first film was the 1946 newsreel
Our Construction, and thereafter its major films were basically all government-produced or approved. South Korean cinema was still largely produced by private citizens. If this move happens, I can do the rescope. I'll fit it into the formats of
Lists of South Korean films and
List of North Korean films. Just tag me once it's done.
toobigtokale (
talk) 20:28, 11 March 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. —
Amakuru (
talk) 13:54, 18 March 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. —
Amakuru (
talk) 15:43, 25 March 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Al Difa → Al-Difa' – ' is essential because this would change the meaning of the word from الدفاع The Defense => to الضفة The Bank [of a river]. A quick google search shows this is more prevalently used:
[46].
Makeandtoss (
talk) 15:32, 25 March 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Royal Enfield →
Royal Enfield (defunct) – As the former is defunct since 1971, and the latter is still functional and selling products (perhaps in international market). This move will help readers not get confused. Thanks, Please feel free to ping/mention --
User4edits (
T) 06:57, 25 March 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Jetstar Asia Airways → Jetstar Asia – Need to be consistent with
Jetstar and
Jetstar Japan. The fleet also doesn't have the "Airways" painted on the aircraft, similar to the two related airlines linked before. The "Airways" is only included when referring to the full name of the airline.
103.37.49.211 (
talk) 06:53, 25 March 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – John Kennedy (disambiguation) → John Kennedy – Since the election and rise in prominence of U.S. Senator
John Kennedy of Louisiana -- who is known nationally as "John Kennedy" without any clarifying middle initial -- I argue that the title "John Kennedy" is a case of
WP:NOPRIMARY. Consider the following evidence: *40% of outgoing traffic from this page goes to Sen. Kennedy of Louisiana's page -- and this is from when he was the 27th John Kennedy mentioned on the page, before I moved him above the fold. Only 20% goes to JFK, and 10% goes to JFK Jr. (who was in the middle of the other section before I moved him above the fold as well).
[47] *When you google "John Kennedy," the first search result, most of the first page results, and the infobox refer to Sen. Kennedy of Louisiana.
[48]WP:PRIMARYTOPIC tells us we should principally consider usage and long-term significance. Kennedy of Louisiana wins the former, JFK wins the latter. This conflict makes a compelling argument that there is no primary topic. For those who have never heard of Kennedy of Louisiana, don't like him, or think he isn't important, please refer to
WP:BUTIKNOWABOUTIT -- Kennedy of Louisiana gets more than double the outgoing traffic from this page than JFK! Another thing I'll note: part of the reason why "John Kennedy" is so ambiguous is because the 35th President's common name is John F. Kennedy; almost everyone calls him this, JFK, or Kennedy, but rarely John Kennedy. The omission of the middle initial is therefore perhaps more indicative that maybe the person searching this term isn't looking for the 35th president than in an alternate scenario where the president also went primarily by "John Kennedy".
Peter L Griffin (
talk) 02:06, 25 March 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Rugrats → Rugrats (1991 TV series) – There is a 2021 TV series called "Rugrats" (which already has a page), so the new primary topic appears to be the franchise and not the 1991 TV show
134.199.113.124 (
talk) 22:42, 24 March 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Abdur Razzaq (Awami League politician) →
Abdur Razzaq (politician, born 1942) – The previous move request failed to clear the incomplete disambiguation issues that seem to inevitably plague Arabic name articles, as
Abdur Razzaq (Faridpur politician) is also from the Awami League. The barrister article was boldly moved back claiming "The person in question is no longer affiliated with Bangladesh Jamaat-e-Islami", which may or may not be true but in any case (barrister) is incomplete disambiguation since "barrister" just means lawyer
Abdur Razzaq (Awami League politician) among others were also lawyers. "Jamaat-e-Islami" may still be correct but it's probably best to respect the principle behind that move and disambiguate the second politician by year of birth to match the first one. Finally, the primary topic status of the artist
Abdur Razzaque relative to the many other people with this name is dubious.
* Pppery *it has begun... 16:32, 24 March 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Vibert Douglas → Allie Vibert Douglas – This is the name she more commonly went by. The claim that she went by her middle name is confusing, and refers to her switching her last and middle name (Douglas Vibert -> Vibert Douglas), not removing her first.
Infwood (
talk) 15:23, 24 March 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – General Deputy of Álava → Deputy General of Álava – Former title, the article was moved to
General Deputy of Álava without discussion. The noun+adjective order has a few hits in Google Books (
[49],
[50],
[51] and is the form used in English language press releases of the Basque Government (at irekia.euskadi.eus). The adjective+noun form has results in Google Books too (
[52]) but seems to be more uncommon overall.
Santi2222 (
talk) 13:22, 24 March 2024 (UTC)reply
When the subject of an article is referred to mainly by a single common name, as evidenced through usage in a significant majority of English-language sources, Wikipedia generally follows the sources and uses that name as its article title (subject to the other naming criteria). Sometimes that common name includes non-neutral words that Wikipedia normally avoids (e.g. Alexander the Great, or the Teapot Dome scandal). In such cases, the prevalence of the name, or the fact that a given description has effectively become a proper name (and that proper name has become the common name), generally overrides concern that Wikipedia might appear as endorsing one side of an issue. An article title with non-neutral terms cannot simply be a name commonly used in the past; it must be the common name in current use.
(
Discuss) – Lapinjärvi → Lapinjärvi (disambiguation) – a disambiguator is wholly unnecessary, as the eponymous main village and lake are part of the municipality. Earlier there was a bold move to
Lapinjärvi, Finland, meanwhile reverted, that was an equally unnecessary disambiguator.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 08:15, 24 March 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – ZTF J203349.8+322901.1 → Janus (star) – In short, common name, simpler, and more plausible search term. I believe no one will search for this star as "ZTF J203349.8+322901.1", this name is simply too big and complex. The nickname "Janus" is well documented and several sources cite this object by that name. The new name is also in line with
WP:STARNAMES, which says that proper and common names should be preferred.
InTheAstronomy32 (
talk) 23:54, 23 March 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Henbury → Henbury, Bristol – No clear primary topic, the suburb has 307 views and its station 79 but Henbury Meteorites Conservation Reserve, containing the Henbury craters field has 375, the Cheshire one has 47, the Dorset one has 26 and the crater has 10[
[56]]. Crouch, Swale (
talk) 19:32, 23 March 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Where is Kate? →
2023–24 public absence of Catherine, Princess of Wales – or ALT12023–24 health and public absence of Catherine, Princess of Wales. Continued dissatisfaction has been expressed about the title of the article, and I believe it is already generally agreed that the title should be changed, so let's do that. Speculation and conspiracy theories and controversy have been part of what has happened during her absence from public appearances, but I do not see a reason to discuss them in the article's title. Those things are basically a result of her notable extended absence from public appearances and the inadequate explanation offered during that period of time rather than being a separate subject, and Wikipedia discourages article titles focused on controversy rather than substance. I suggest including the timeframe since everyone is absent from the public once in a while, whereas this article is about a specific period of absence. I originally suggested just mentioning 2024, since my impression is that her absence wasn't really notable until then, but it's true that it began in 2023, so I have included 2023 in the described date range. This is not a deletion discussion. This is a discussion of what title the article should have if it is not deleted. —
BarrelProof (
talk) 19:11, 23 March 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Issyk Kul Secondary School (Razzakov) →
Issyk Kul Secondary School – When I created this page
Issyk Kul Secondary School (Razzakov) and the accompanying
Issyk Kul Secondary School disambig page, I assumed there must be many schools in Kyrgyzstan with the same name. However, the disambig page still lists only one school, and I personally haven't been able to find any other schools with the same name. The
osoo.kg, the most comprehensive database of companies and institutions in Kyrgyzstan, indeed lists only one school with this name. Moreover, Google has indexed
only one school with the name Isfana Secondary School (
Russian: Средняя школа Иссык-Куль), namely the one in Razzakov.
Nataevtalk 16:23, 23 March 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Gentleman detective → Amateur detective – Amateur detective redirects here. The current article title is stretched, thus we get nonsense like "The daughter of a clergyman,
Miss Marple is not from the aristocracy or landed gentry, but is quite at home amongst them." Cormoran Strike, not a gentleman. Inspector Morse, neither a gentleman nor an amateur.
cagliost (
talk) 09:32, 23 March 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Marta → Marta (disambiguation) – There are no other articles for people who go by just Marta. She is 100% the most famous Marta. She is the only Marta on Wikipedia. The only competition for this title is the disambiguation page. The disambiguation page should be labeled as such, while Marta's article is titled concisely by her name.
Helpfulwikieditoryay (
talk) 08:37, 23 March 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Snowy Mountains Airport → Cooma–Snowy Mountains Airport – Page was moved to this namespace by an autoconfirmed user in good faith per
WP:BOLD under the rationale of
WP:COMMONNAME. I disagree with this move and would like to seek
WP:EDITCON for reasons stated below: *Under private ownership, this airport has been branded as "Snowy Mountains Airport", However, most sources actually cited as references in the article, both current and historic, refer to either Cooma Airport, or Cooma - Snowy Mountains Airport. Of the 14 sources currently referenced, only 2 refer to the airport exclusively as "Snowy Mountains Airport" and these are self-published by the airport operator, suggesting a rebranding for promotional reasons which may raise issues with
WP:PROMO. *Although Google does return more hits for the specific search term "Snowy Mountains Airport" than either of the above, I note many of these results still preface this with "Cooma" when viewing where the term actually appears in the text, including 3 of the top 10 matches. *The Qantas booking system was using "Cooma" as the destination as of last season (although marketed as flights to the Snowy Mountains). *As a pilot who has operated to this airport, all radio calls, flight planning documents and associated navigation are referred to as "Cooma". *Disambiguation - Originally, the public airport was referred to as Cooma Airport, the Snowy Mountains was added to differentiate it from the private Cooma–Polo Flat Airport, which was historically the base for the Snowy Mountains Authority's aviation ops to a network of airstrips throughout the Snowy Mountains. Although historic, there was a period of time where Polo Flat was colloquially known as the Snowy Mountains Scheme Airport (or just "Snowy Airport" or other iterations) while the public airfield was just "Cooma" airport. Discarding booking engine type search results and considering those with actual content that is of encyclopedic interest, it is possible that many search results for "Snowy Mountains Airport" may be referring to Polo Flat or other SMA airstrips. - This is certainly the case when using search engines such as
Trove. Although the change to the name was only minor, I believe that it is detrimental to the article, however it would be appropriate to add a "nativename" field or such in the infobox, or provide this clarification in the lede.
Dfadden (
talk) 01:42, 16 February 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.– robertsky (
talk) 02:33, 23 March 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Henryk IV Probus → Henry Probus – Per
WP:NCROY. "Use the most common, unambiguous name: Carl XVI Gustaf, Elizabeth II, Alfonso XII, Louis XIV, William the Conqueror, John Balliol, Mary, Queen of Scots, Eric of Pomerania, Charlemagne. This is in line with WP:COMMONNAME." "Henry Probus" is more common than "Henryk Probus" "Henryk IV Probus" (the current title) and "Henry IV Probus"
[57]UmbrellaTheLeef (
talk) 20:52, 14 March 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.– robertsky (
talk) 02:04, 23 March 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Polish–Ukrainian ethnic conflict →
Polish–Ukrainian relations (1939–1947) – The article's author was unable to demonstrate the source basis for the existence of a Polish-Ukrainian ethnic conflict in 1942-47; the very fact that he places the Polish anti-communist and pro-independence Freedom and Independence Association on the Ukrainian side demonstrates his poor grasp of the subject, but also, and above all, the inability to narrate the entire history solely through the optics of "ethnic conflict." For indeed, this is a misleading take. First, because it is difficult to define the actors. The Polish side is not homogeneous: there are many organizations, and the three main currents (the Home Army, the Nationalists and the Communists) had different attitudes toward the Ukrainian cause and did not pursue a uniform policy. Likewise, on the Ukrainian side, there is the OUN-M, OUN-B (and UPA), UCK collaborators, Bulbovets, Ukrainian Soviet partisans, Ukrainian SSR authorities, etc. Second, despite generally hostile relations, there were also periods of peace, attempts at agreement, and actual alliances. There is an entire book by Grzegorz Motyka and Rafał Wnuk on this subject: "Pany and rezuny. Cooperation of the AK-WiN and the UPA 1945-1947". Many Ukrainians served in the Polish army in 1939 and in the Polish armed forces in the west. Pavlo Shandruk cooperated with the Polish government in exile etc. These are things largely not currently described on Wikipedia. In the current situation, I see two choices: # due to the fact that the article is a translation from the Polish Wiki of the article under the title " Polish-Ukrainian partisan fighting", we can move it under this title and change the scope to describe the skirmishes between the two partisan movement. # or, as I suggest, move it under the title I proposed and describe the whole of Polish-Ukrainian relations during the war. I believe that such an article would be valuable and would be a " container" tying together all the topics currently described in isolation (the massacres of Poles in Volhynia, the Hrubieszów revolution, the WiN-UPA alliance, etc.).
Marcelus (
talk) 20:30, 14 March 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.– robertsky (
talk) 02:04, 23 March 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – FIFA Arab Cup →
Arab cup – Return to original name of main article by removing of current partner. Hi, the article lists all Arab cups while the partnership with
FIFA only took place for the
2021 FIFA Arab Cup and the previous editions are not in partnership with FIFA
[58],
[59],
[60]. PS: I have already had a discussion with
Hashim-afc, who wants to keep branding for all Arab cups.
Wokemanwhowalks (
talk) 01:49, 23 March 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Misr Stadium → New Administrative Capital Stadium – For this article, I think it's a case of
WP:OFFICIAL vs
WP:COMMONNAME. First, to clarify some info: * In Arabic, the stadium's official name is (ستاد مصر الدولي بالعاصمة الإدارية الجديدة), which translates to Misr International Stadium in the New Administrative Capital. * The short official name is (ستاد مصر), and translates to Misr Stadium or Stadium of Egypt in English. * The common name used is (ستاد العاصمة الإدارية الجديدة), which translates to the New Administrative Capital Stadium. By googling all three suitable names (Misr Stadium, Stadium of Egypt, and New Administrative Capital Stadium), we will get 278,000 vs 71,800,000 vs 30,900,000 results, respectively, with the second one generally showing results for all stadiums in Egypt and other results not related to the stadium itself; making the latter option the most suitable title for this article. Note that this was the original title of the article, but another user moved it to Misr Stadium, and I didn't want to revert that move without reaching consensus here first. Regarding the second request, it's for a simple removal of quotation marks from the title. I tried doing it myslef, but I wasn't allowed to. This one might qualify to
WP:RM#SPEEDY.
Ben5218 (
talk) 00:20, 23 March 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Natalia Kusendova →
Natalia Kusendova-Bashta – Procedural nomination, as article subject married in 2022. This isn't a clearcut slamdunk, however; she appears to not have immediately started using her hyphenated married name right away, as a government media release from
2023 still refers to her as just Kusendova, but another one from
just a few days ago does say Kusendova-Bashta. She's also had virtually no media coverage of note since the
2022 Ontario general election, when she was still just Kusendova — but
her own website gives her name as Kusendova-Bashta in text even though its url is still just Kusendova; her profile on the Legislative Assembly site is now at
Kusendova-Bashta; and if we go by her own social networking presence, she's hyphenated Kusendova-Bashta on Xitter and LinkedIn, and Kusendova Bashta without a hyphen on Instagram, but still just Kusendova on Facebook. So this would require some discussion because the signals are still a bit mixed, and can't really just be moved immediately without discussion.
Bearcat (
talk) 18:01, 22 March 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Michael Larson → ? – To quote @
Fourthords: in the GAR, I cannot understand why this is written as a biography, given
Wikipedia:Notability (people)#People notable for only one event. 82.8 percent of the article is directly related to the Press Your Luck event, and the rest is only sourced to articles discussing him in that same context[...]There's plenty of sources here to write
Press Your Luck scandal appropriately, but it too would need to reckon with the other problems listed on this—and the article's talk—page. I don't usually deal with BLPs in this context, so I'm not sure what the most appropriate move should be here, but this is not the first time
WP:BLP1E has come up within his context so I feel it should be discussed. Ten Pound Hammer • (
What did I screw up now?) 15:54, 22 March 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Vincent Lee Chuan Leong →
1999 Singapore kidnapping case – The current title is effectively
WP:BLP1E and
WP:BLPCRIME. "Kidnapping of X" may not work given that the victim's name is generally not available outside, and even if so, we should generally avoid naming the victim here was 14yo when it happened. The proposed title is a descriptive one, and if there is a better alternative title, I am amenable to the proposed title as well.
– robertsky (
talk) 14:31, 22 March 2024 (UTC)reply
The 7-day listing period has elapsed. Items below may be closed if there's a consensus, or if discussion has run its course and consensus could not be achieved.
(
Discuss) – Syncopy Inc. → Syncopy – For some reason,
Syncopy redirects to
Syncope (medicine). The former spelling is not mentioned anywhere on the article, and I could find no evidence online that syncopy is anything but a misspelling of syncope. Possibly, the redirect was created as the phonetic spelling of the medical term, since
Syncopy Inc. was not created until two years later. As no other article titled "syncopy" currently exists, and syncopy appears to be an uncommon misspelling of syncope, the production company should not need to be disambiguated.
InfiniteNexus (
talk) 06:51, 22 March 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Lady L →
Lady L (film) – For disambiguation. The film gets more pageviews but it was based on the novel so it's best to say no primary topic. In any event whether the initials have a period or not is trivial.
* Pppery *it has begun... 04:31, 22 March 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Italian soft power →
Soft power of Italy – Somewhat more accurate, as "Italian" could suggest
Italians/the Italian diaspora, while "Italy" more closely suggests the Italian government. There are (to my knowledge) three articles on countries' soft power:
Italian soft power,
Soft power of China, and
Qatari soft power. I suggest this move be used as a litmus test to attempt to standardise article titles in this series, unless any editors can justify different titles for different countries' soft powers.
IgnatiusofLondon (
talk) 14:33, 14 March 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.queen of 🖤 (they/them;
chat) 19:37, 21 March 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Amarillo (disambiguation) → Amarillo – No clear primary topic between the city, plant and Is This the Way to. The city has 22,018 views but the plant has 15,655, Is This the Way to has 2,965, the episode has 1,472, the Gorillaz song has 146 and the J Balvin song has 101[
[61]]. Google results are mixed between the city and Is This the Way to. Images is split between the city, colour (which isn't relevant in English as opposed to Spanish) and Is This the Way to is also there. In terms of long-term significance the city has long-term significance but the plant also has and Is This the Way to would probably also be better known though its a PTM and the name comes from the city. US cities are commonly referred to with the state which may mean readers searching with plain "Amarillo" are less likely to be looking for the city. Crouch, Swale (
talk) 18:45, 21 March 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Political status of Nagorno-Karabakh →
The political status of the Republic of Artsakh – The article's content demonstrates that the political developments, negotiations, and conflicts discussed primarily involve the self-declared Republic of Artsakh as a political entity, rather than the geographical region of Nagorno-Karabakh.
WP:PRECISION: The term "Republic of Artsakh" accurately reflects the political entity that declared independence in 1991 and existed until its collapse in 2023. While "Nagorno-Karabakh" refers to the geographical region, "Republic of Artsakh" specifically denotes the self-declared, though internationally unrecognized, republic. This distinction is crucial for accurately describing the entity's political status, which is the focus of the article.
Альдий (
talk) 17:22, 21 March 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Zoë Porphyrogenita → Zoe Porphyrogenita – This page has been moved several times without discussion. I believe the unaccented form of 'Zoe' is more common in RS.
Srnec (
talk) 20:23, 12 March 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.Bensci54 (
talk) 16:51, 21 March 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Fremantle Football Club → Fremantle Dockers – Discussing titles for the
new Tasmanian team has me thinking about how our AFL clubs' articles are named – in my view, they're not up to scratch with
modern titling policy. For context, of the 18 AFL clubs,
Gold Coast Suns,
Greater Western Sydney Giants,
Sydney Swans,
West Coast Eagles and
Western Bulldogs currently use the "[location] [mascot]" combo, with the other 13 currently at "[location] Football Club". In my view, we should be using the "[location] [mascot]" combination more often, if not in all cases, because it is more concise, recognisable and is used more often by our sources. Past justifications for using "[location] Football Club" have tended to rest on the idea that articles should use whatever the club's official name is, which is
not necessarily true. Aside from this general rationale, some points specific to Fremantle: *Clubs that have acquired their current name after the 1980s – Sydney (relocated 1982), West Coast (entered 1987), Western Bulldogs (rebranded 1996), Gold Coast (entered 2011) and GWS (entered 2012) – all use "[location] [mascot]". The exception is Adelaide (entered 1991, title is "Adelaide Football Club") but their article also probably needs to be moved. Because Fremantle entered in 1995, using "[location] [mascot]" is especially consistent with the more recent clubs tending to use this format. *Many third-party sources use "Fremantle Dockers":
PerthNow,
Fox,
The West,
ZeroHanger,
Nine,
Seven,
The RoarSydney Morning Herald,
ABC. I'm not exactly going to say "Fremantle Dockers" is the
WP:COMMONNAME, because the actual COMMONNAME is probably just "Fremantle" or "the Dockers", but those names aren't suitable options. *Fremantle consistently use "Dockers" over "Football Club" in their own branding. It's on their logo, their social media accounts, their official app and so on. *"Dockers" is consistent across time. During their time in the AFL, Fremantle have never been known by a name other than the Dockers. *"Dockers" is consistent across teams. There's no reserves or AFLW team using a different name. And some other notes: *This move request is intended as a warm-up to gauge community sentiment and avoid changing too much at once, not to suggest Fremantle is the only club that needs their article moved. *If this move request succeeds, associated articles with "Fremantle Football Club" in their title (e.g.
List of Fremantle Football Club players) should be moved to the equivalent title with "Fremantle Dockers". –
Teratix₵ 08:41, 12 March 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. —
Amakuru (
talk) 14:24, 21 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Elapsed listings fall into the backlog after 24 hours. Consider relisting 8-day-old discussions with minimal participation.
(
Discuss) – Francis, Duke of Guise → François, Duke of Guise – Requesting move of these articles per WP:COMMONNAME. I will begin my argument with ngrams, even though I find them largely overcrowded by noise. Please see
[62][63][64][65] Moving beyond ngrams, my argument revolves around the English literature that focuses on the family, the era of the Italian Wars, and the era French Wars of Religion, both areas of which they played a central role in and are therefore not an incidental mention in. Stuart Carroll (2011) Martyr's and Murderers: The Guise Family and the Making of Europe, is the most recent English language biography of the family - it refers to the second duke of Guise as François, his son the third duke as Henri and the fifth duke of Guise as Henri II (also the seventh duke of Guise as François-Joseph though that Wikipedia article is already at François-Joseph, so does not require changing.) The other recent English book which discusses them in the title is Mark Konnert's (2006) Local Politics in the French Wars of Religion: The Towns of Champagne, the duc de Guise and the Catholic League (1560-1595) - it refers to François, and Henri. I will now briefly survey English academics who have written on this area in the last couple of decades, and their various positions on the names. Gould (2006) = François; Roelker (1968) = François, Henri; Knecht (2014) = François, Henri; Diefendorf (1991) = François, Henri; Roberts (2013) = François, Henri; Sutherland (1962) = François, Henri; Tullchin (2012) = François, Henri; Roelker (1996) = François, Henri; Baumgartner (1986) = Henri; Harding (1978) = François, Henri; Heller (2003) = Henri; Potter (1997) = François, Henri; Carroll (2005) = François, Henri; Bernstein (2004) = Henri; Konnert (1997) = François, Henri; Benedict (2003) = François, Henri; Salmon (1979) = François, Henri; Shaw (2019) [only English language survey of the Italian Wars] = François; Pitts (2012) = François, Henri; Neuschel (1989) = François; Kingdon (1967) = François, Henri; Greengrass (1988) = François; Conner (2000) = François, Spangler (2016) = Henri Tingle (2006) is a little unusual, refers to François, and Henry; likewise Shimizu (1970) refers to Francis, and Henri Holt (2002) = Francis, Henry, he is the only French Wars of Religion era academic I am aware of who throughout all his works consistently calls them this way. Wood (2002) never refers to either duke by their first name.
sovietblobfish (
talk) 11:21, 13 March 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.Robertus Pius (
Talk •
Contribs) 19:24, 20 March 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Jenna Presley → Brittni De La Mora – Per
WP:NAMECHANGES, this article should be moved to the title that most accurately reflects present-day sourcing and the current professional name/identity this
WP:BLP individual uses. It is disrespectful and inaccurate to use the name "Jenna Presley" to refer to her life before and after her career in the adult film industry. Now that we are twelve years removed from her leaving the industry, it is clear that this name change is necessary based on her life since then. Such a change would still be in line with the criteria at
WP:TITLE, namely
WP:CRITERIA and
WP:COMMONNAME. I have also seen
MOS:DEADNAME cited; I recognize the specific applications of this guideline, but I do believe that its spirit applies to this situation. I would have boldly performed this move myself, but I was unable to perform the technical component due to "Brittni De La Mora" already existing as a redirect.
TNstingray (
talk) 12:33, 20 March 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Jew's harp → Jaw harp – "Jew harp" has only 3,50,000 results, "Jew's harp" has only 1,75,000 results, but "Jaw harp" has 6,50,000 results on Google, while "Mouth harp" has 5,42,000 results. "Jaw harp" is the
WP:COMMONNAME. Not only that, but "Jew's harp" is treated as anti-semitic by a number of sources.
[67][68] This is yet another reason why we should avoid using this title.
REDISCOVERBHARAT (
talk) 05:30, 19 March 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Shukan Shincho → Shūkan Shinchō – Having the
macron in the name is the more correct translation of this Japanese magazine name to English. No standard title has been established in English so we should defer to the technically correct translation for the page title.
DCsansei (
talk) 19:42, 29 February 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.– robertsky (
talk) 21:21, 18 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Do not use hypothetical, dissolved or defunct titles, including pretenders (real or hypothetical), unless this is what the majority of reliable sources use.
(
Discuss) – Henshin (disambiguation) → Henshin – Editors have for years said that the hentai manga is not the primarytopic. I wouldn't know, but since it's a common complaint I believe it's worth brining up.
Rose Abrams (
TCL) 20:59, 17 March 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Sarukhan, Bey of Magnesia → Saruhan – Already redirects here. Else, it can be Saruhan Bey or something similar, because this is the only person with the name on Wikipedia if I'm not mistaken. Magnesia is only a settlement, and he and his descendants ruled a region, more than just one town. So, "Magnesia" should definitely be removed in some way.
Aintabli (
talk) 01:55, 9 March 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.asilvering (
talk) 05:01, 16 March 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Zog I of Albania → Zog I – Per
WP:SOVEREIGN, bullet point 3, we avoid the country disambiguator where it is not neccessary. He appears to be the only monarch named Zog.
Векочел (
talk) 01:22, 14 March 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – 1933 German referendum → 1933 German League of Nations withdrawal referendum –
WP:NC-GAL, the naming guideline for referendums, sets out the naming format for referendums as being [date] [country name or adjectival form] [type] referendum", for example
1946 Faroese independence referendum, though it is worth pointing out some referendum articles do not have the [type] added, because it is too complex to explain in a few words or the referendums cover multiple topics. However, I do not think this is the case for these four articles (particularly not the first two listed) I had assumed the move of this article would be uncontroversial given the naming convention (and made it a short time ago), but it was was reverted because it made the article title inconsistent with others, so now using the formal RM process. I think the proposed titles of the 1933 and 1926 articles should be uncontroversial and in line with the naming guideline. I am not 100% convinced that there are not better alternatives for the 1929 and 1934 articles, which I am happy for alternatives to be suggested or simply to keep them at the existing titles if they are deemed to awkward. However, I felt that given the move of this article was reverted because the other articles hadn't been moved, it would be best to cover this in a single discussion, even if it is a little messy, so it might be best for responders to indicate whether they approve of all or merely some of the proposals (or none). Cheers,
Number57 17:08, 23 February 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. —
Amakuru (
talk) 16:27, 4 March 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.JML1148(
talk |
contribs) 10:06, 13 March 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Victor Crespo → Vítor Pereira Crespo – I don't know why the anglicized name "Victor" is used here. It seems that in Portuguese, the name "Vítor Pereira Crespo" is more commonly used. There is another Portuguese government official whose name is
Vítor Manuel Trigueiros Crespo. There is a need to disambiguate them.
32come (
talk) 05:25, 25 February 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.– robertsky (
talk) 14:15, 6 March 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Otto II, Holy Roman Emperor → Otto II – Per
WP:SOVEREIGN. "Only use a territorial designation (e.g. country) when disambiguation is needed. In the case of kings, queens regnant, emperors, and empresses regnant whose common name is ambiguous or not the primary meaning, article titles are normally in the form "{Monarch's first name and ordinal} of {Country}". Examples: Philip IV of Spain; Henry I of France; Joan II of Navarre." All of these titles are primary redirects. I do not support these changes as a matter of personal preference, but rather as a proper application of policy.
UmbrellaTheLeef (
talk) 22:06, 27 February 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.BilledMammal (
talk) 11:44, 6 March 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Edward V of England → Edward V – Background: There was
a recent RM which proposed to drop the "of England" from all of the English Edwards, which ended in no consensus. However, the closer explicitly stated a separate nomination limited to Edward IV and Edward V would be more fruitful, and might be the best next step to pursue. This is that discussion. Rationale: per
WP:SOVEREIGN, Only use a territorial designation (e.g. country) when disambiguation is needed. Given that there are no other Edward IVs/Edward Vs, it is obvious that no disambiguation is needed. HouseBlaster (
talk · he/him) 15:12, 29 February 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Bojana (river) → Buna (river) – Buna/Bojana is a river which flows from northern Albania to the Adriatic Sea. Half of its course is entirely within Albania and in the next half, it forms the border between Albania and Montenegro. Arguments in favor of a move to Buna: *Per
WP:COMMONNAME: Google Scholar: **
5.940 (Bojana) **
9.260 (Buna). I searched for other variants and added some additional qualifiers to remove results for the name Bojana instead of the river, but the overall ratio doesn't qualitatively change. The name Buna is used more frequently than the name Bojana. *Per
WP:NCRIVER: If the section of the river that uses a particular name is much longer than other sections, then use that as the name Buna is entirely within Albania and half of its course forms the border between Albania and Montenegro. The name Buna is used for all sections of the river, while the name Bojana only for part it. *Per
WP:UEGN: If no name can be shown to be widely accepted in English, use the local name. If more than one local name exists, follow the procedure explained below under Multiple local names. The local name for over 98% of communities living along the Buna is Albanian both as an official and as a local name. Bojana is used as the official name in Montenegro, but
Ulcinj municipality is an Albanian minority area. As such, both Bojana and Buna are co-official in the section which forms the border with Montenegro.--
Maleschreiber (
talk) 18:20, 23 February 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Oil Lamp Fragment → Oldest depiction of a menorah – "Oil Lamp Fragment" is a very generic "name" which doesn't seem to be in use as the name of this fragment. Wikipedia shouldn't invent new names for things which lack a name, but instead use a descriptive title. I had moved an older version of this page to
Oldest depiction of a menorah without a redirect (as I consider it a very unlikely search term for this specific object), but it was recreated. I would suggest to move this over to the new name, without a redirect from the current name.
Fram (
talk) 16:27, 22 February 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – High Tension →
High Tension (2003 film) – There are a considerable number of other targets at
High Tension (disambiguation). Per
WP:NOPRIMARY the dab page should be located at
High Tension and not the 2003 film. I further note that this film has been released in English on DVD/Blu-Ray under two different titles, High Tension and Switchblade Romance so the naming convention in English isn't consistent. This further demonstrates that this is not the primary target for High Tension, and for this reason I would also support a move alternative to
Switchblade Romance which has no competing titles, or simply using the original French language title, Haute tension. A further point to consider,
High Tension could become a redirect to
high voltage as the primary target as "Extra-High Tension" or EHT is a common measurement in electricity. There are several options here. Either way, the 2003 film should be moved.
4meter4 (
talk) 15:52, 14 February 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.– robertsky (
talk) 08:11, 22 February 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Frederik IX of Denmark → Frederik IX – He's the only monarch with this exact name, so we should move per
WP:PRECISE, and the move will make the article title consistent with his daughter and now his grandson, whose name is spelled without the C.
Векочел (
talk) 01:56, 15 January 2024 (UTC)reply Note: A mistake on my part in saying Frederik IX was the only monarch with this name. He is the only king with this exact name.Векочел (
talk) 09:21, 15 January 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.FOARP (
talk) 14:36, 15 February 2024 (UTC)reply