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Nominated by [[User:7&6=thirteen!-- Do NOT change this -->|7&6=thirteen!-- Do NOT change this -->]] ([[User talk:7&6=thirteen!-- Do NOT change this -->|talk]] ·[{{fullurl:User talk:7&6=thirteen!-- Do NOT change this -->|action=edit&preload=Template:ITN_candidate/preload_credit&preloadtitle=ITN+recognition+for+%5B%5BLouis+Gossett+Jr.+on+screen+and+stage%5D%5D§ion=new&preloadparams%5b%5d=Louis+Gossett+Jr.+on+screen+and+stage&preloadparams%5b%5d=nominated}} give credit])
Article updated Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see
this RFC and
further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets
WP:ITNRD.
The
Czech information service reveals that
Russia paid hundreds of thousands of euros through its "Voice of Europe" website to European politicians in order to influence European elections.
(Parool)
Article updated Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see
this RFC and
further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets
WP:ITNRD.
Oppose For all purposes this is a unfortunate traffic accident that has been associated to fault of the driver. This is the type of stuff we cover in list articles, but not standalone ones per NEVENTS, and thus not really ITN material.
Masem (
t) 22:38, 28 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Oppose No long-term impact, and local incidents like this are why we don't have a minimum death criterion.
Chaotıċ Enby (
talk ·
contribs) 23:52, 28 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Support This is de-facto discrimination. If 45 people die after a bus falls off a bridge in the United States it would be ITN in hours.
Lukt64 (
talk) 23:55, 28 March 2024 (UTC)reply
To be fair, I would also disagree with having a US bus plunge on ITN.
Chaotıċ Enby (
talk ·
contribs) 00:02, 29 March 2024 (UTC)reply
The issue is that it is a road accident caused by only one fault (the driver) that is likely going to have little long term impact. This is exactly what NOTNEWS and NEVENT recommends from having standalone articles on. If it was a mutli-factor situation (such as a mega-car pileup) that might be something. But normal road-traffic accidents tend to not be topics that can be expanded on further. —
Masem (
t) 00:14, 29 March 2024 (UTC)reply
It's discrimination based upon what's typical for a country: if this was were in the USA but a mass shooting, this would never get ITN. But were it a mass shooting in any other country it would get on the front page within a few hours. This is because the former is shot down as "Oh, a tragedy, but all too common because it's a country where there are few to no safeguards against such a thing." The exact same logic is being applied here, but for some reason people get a lot more up in arms about it when the country in question isn't the USA.
Nottheking (
talk) 01:36, 29 March 2024 (UTC)reply
There is only 4 pages on bus crashes on South Africa.
Lukt64 (
talk) 03:01, 29 March 2024 (UTC)reply
If your intent was to argue that was evidence that bus crashes are rare in South Africa, that was a rather dubious selection. After all,
Wikipedia is not a newspaper, and thus won't record every single item of news. Rather, the fact that there's clearly a lot of crashes (a casual research pass suggests hundreds of fatal bus crashes every year, with one high-profile study showing 4,001 fatal crashes involving trucks & buses across a 5-year period) and yet only four received an article seems to be a very strong indication that such events... Are just not notable in South Africa.
Nottheking (
talk) 05:31, 29 March 2024 (UTC)reply
I find it very hard to imagine a mass shooting in the US with 40+ deaths not being posted. In
October 2023 we posted one with 19, and in
2022 we posted one with 10 (although there were racial/political elements increasing its notability).
Jjamesryan (
talk |
contribs) 13:53, 29 March 2024 (UTC)reply
So the
2018 New Jersey bus crash wasn't nominated, the
2020 Pennsylvania Turnpike crash wasn't nominated, the
Schoharie limousine crash was nominated for AFD, voted keep, and still
not posted. What was posted though was a
2023 bus plunge in Panama,
2020 bus plunge in China,
2018 in Hong Kong, and one I think last year in Italy that I can't find right now among many others. Your assertion then that "if this had happened in the United States", as is always the case when claiming "American bias" is in fact unsubstantiated horse shit utterly devoid of any basis in reality and contrary to the normative behavior at ITN which is to ruthlessly suppress stories from or about the United States in some hysterial and misguided effort to fight "systemic bias" despite that not appearing anywhere at
WP:ITN. If you want to do something useful, maybe review the wall of forever wars in the
WP:ONGOING section and nominate for removal those which no longer meet the criteria for inclusion. --
24.125.98.89 (
talk) 11:25, 29 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Thank you for the list of similar blurbs and articles in the past, this is very interesting and helpful for understanding precedent here. We've posted many more busplunges than I thought we had, and the death-count of this one is double many previous blurbs. I think your aggression towards Lukt64 is wholly unwarranted and unhelpful... ~
Maplestrip/Mable (
chat) 12:15, 29 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Support - That's a remarkably high death toll for a single-vehicle accident.
GenevieveDEon (
talk) 23:57, 28 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Oppose per above. The article does not indicate this will have a lasting impact.
Gödel2200 (
talk) 00:44, 29 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Support the death toll is pretty significant for this news to be ignored.
PrinceofPunjabTALK 04:30, 29 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Oppose from what I've seen of it so far, it's been a tragic accident, but a comparative "blip" news-wise: no wider scandal or fallout, for instance. Instead, it appears to be the sad result of what (in this country) appears to be commonplace poorer safety standards, which result in accidents like these not being particularly noteworthy. (e.g, a bus was towing a trailer which would dramatically hinder its handling ability, making it unsafe for driving such dangerous mountain roads) To give an analogy, it's also why few mass shootings in the United States are given ITN treatment: particularly lax gun control laws in that country & the overall cultural environment make what would be a nation-defining tragedy in virtually any other country into a commonplace occurrence.
Note that were some of these elements to change (e.g, in the next day or two a major inquiry & public investigation gets touched off by the South African national government) then that could change the picture. But as it stands, there's no indication of that happening.
Nottheking (
talk) 05:24, 29 March 2024 (UTC)reply
RE-OPENED Sorry but half a day when there are multiple support votes and an ongoing discussion is way premature closing; we should let the discussion run its course at least and give a chance for editors to respond, discuss and other to have their say. I have re-opened as a result.
Abcmaxx (
talk) 09:26, 29 March 2024 (UTC)reply
I think an blurb like this would live or die on the article's quality. It's an intense tragedy with a big impact on many people's lives in the region. However, I don't think the article has quite enough depth/length for a front-page feature right now. ~
Maplestrip/Mable (
chat) 10:47, 29 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see
this RFC and
further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets
WP:ITNRD.
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see
this RFC and
further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets
WP:ITNRD.
Argentina orders the deployment of at least two
gendarmerie to the Argentine embassy in
Venezuela, where allies of opposition leader
María Corina Machado have taken refuge amid increased tensions between the two countries.
(Infobae)
Article updated Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see
this RFC and
further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets
WP:ITNRD.
Article updated Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see
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further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets
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Nominator's comments: United States senator from Connecticut from 1989 to 2013. Nominee for vice president of the United States in the 2000 U.S. presidential election. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Keeves (
talk •
contribs) 22:00, 2024 March 27 (UTC)
Support. One section is tagged as relying on sources too close to the subject, but that is hardly the same as being unsourced.
BD2412T 22:03, 27 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Support Comprehensive, B-Class article of an extremely notable figure.
Staraction (
talk |
contribs) 22:04, 27 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Support Extremely notable figure in U.S. Politics. Article is of high enough quality as it is now for inclusion.
Royal Autumn Crest (
talk) 22:30, 27 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Personal life section has several citation needed tags.
Natg 19 (
talk) 22:54, 27 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Found sources for all outstanding citation needed tags in that section!
Staraction (
talk |
contribs) 00:37, 28 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Support Definitely a notable figure in American politics; article is not perfect but sufficiently ready for RD.
FlipandFlopped ツ 01:14, 28 March 2024 (UTC)reply
I was considering posting this however, there is an orange tag in the DHS section. -
Ad Orientem (
talk) 01:34, 28 March 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Ad Orientem: I have addressed the orange tag in the DHS section and added diversified sources (NYT, Bloomberg). Assuming no other issues, I think article is ready for RD. Cheers,
FlipandFlopped ツ 02:30, 28 March 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Flipandflopped There are a number of referencing gaps that I have tagged in the article. Having edited the page, alas I am now WP:INVOLVED, so I can't post the article once it has been improved. -
Ad Orientem (
talk) 02:47, 28 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Oppose - Too many dead refs. Just randomly wanted to check some refs. 2 of the first 3 refs are completely dead. I haven't checked the rest. Hard to determine the quality of the article when its statements can't be verified.
51.154.145.205 (
talk) 12:12, 28 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Support article quality meets threshold for posting
Kcmastrpc (
talk) 12:36, 28 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Support Democratic Vice Presidential candidate in 2000 election and long running Senator and notable for being a key figure in many hot topic political issues in the 1990's and 2000's.
Harizotoh9 (
talk) 14:37, 28 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Support He was the Democratic VP nominee in 2000 and was a long-serving senator who influenced major legislation like the
Affordable Care Act and the repeal of Don't Ask Don't Tell. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
JohnAdams1800 (
talk •
contribs) 16:02, 28 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Oppose His notability is not a requirement for him to be included in the RD, as it's already presumed by having an article on Wikipedia. Many CN tags and two subsections are orange-tagged.
_-_Alsor (
talk) 19:33, 28 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Oppose It's actually a very good article, and none of it is contentious, but desperately needs more sources in order to make it reliable. I added more "citation needed" tags.
Abcmaxx (
talk) 13:00, 29 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see
this RFC and
further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets
WP:ITNRD.
Nobel Prize winning author, psychologist and economist.
Martinevans123 (
talk) 17:22, 27 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Almost there: very few statements lack a citation. --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 18:14, 27 March 2024 (UTC)reply
rather than discussing blurb or not, could we please have citations for at least two facts missing one? --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 07:52, 28 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Thanks, Gerda. You might want to add some tags to direct effort.
Martinevans123 (
talk) 08:12, 28 March 2024 (UTC)reply
No, Martin, I hate tags. I saw two things:
"They would continue to publish together until the end of Tversky's life, but the period when Kahneman published almost exclusively with Tversky ended in 1983, when he published two papers with Anne Treisman, his wife since 1978."
Both paragraphs under "Focusing illusion" end without citation. --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 10:40, 28 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Ok, thanks. I also saw the first and thought it would be self-evident from his list of publications. Maybe not. Those other paragraphs are worth a look.
Martinevans123 (
talk) 10:43, 28 March 2024 (UTC)reply
So I repositioned the citations for "Focusing illusion" (although primary). Alas, the article has only a list of his books, not a full list of all his publications (I'm assuming that might be quite extensive).
Martinevans123 (
talk) 11:00, 28 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Thank you, but how is it self-edvident that she was his wife from a certain year? --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 12:38, 28 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Yes, that bit not self evident from a list of publications, but the year is given in the infobox and in "Personal life" where it is sourced?
Martinevans123 (
talk) 12:46, 28 March 2024 (UTC)reply
This comes sooner. You could just duplicate the ref from personal, and had obliged to "have a ref at the end of each paragraph". --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 22:52, 28 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Blurb when ready.
Ktin (
talk) 18:38, 27 March 2024 (UTC)reply
If this is to be blurbed, there should be a clear section besides a few lines in the lede to explain why he was important though impact and or legacy. Just being awarded including a Nobel isn't sufficient for a blurb.
Masem (
t) 19:12, 27 March 2024 (UTC)reply
If only we were to apply the same standard (last sentence) to the PM of Ruritania.
Nfitz (
talk) 22:48, 27 March 2024 (UTC)reply
We don't automatically blurb former PMs when they die either.
Chaotıċ Enby (
talk ·
contribs) 19:05, 28 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Support RD, Oppose blurb I remember reading his work in school, especially his collaborations with
Amos Tversky. That does not rise to the super-high level we need for a blurb. I think quality is sufficient for RD now, the few statements lacking citation don't need to hold this article up long. –
Muboshgu (
talk) 19:14, 27 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Support RD He was 90 and died in Parts Unknown from nothing of note. "Variants of utility" doesn't quite ring true to me, but it's footnoted and probably written for someone else. The two chunks in "Focusing illusion" could easily be deleted if backing them up with a reliable source or two proves difficult.
InedibleHulk (
talk) 01:31, 28 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Oppose blurb Old man dies.
Noah,
AATalk 01:33, 28 March 2024 (UTC)reply
In all seriousness, it doesnt rise to the level of significance for a blurb.
Noah,
AATalk 02:13, 28 March 2024 (UTC)reply
I find statements like Old man dies when used as a comment in a discussion like this, to be extremely disrespectful.
Ktin (
talk) 02:53, 28 March 2024 (UTC)reply
When someone suggests a blurb that would relay exactly how old a man was when he died, it seems only fair to doubt the significance of that central fact. There's really nothing else to oppose. The age at death is the news item in question.
InedibleHulk (
talk) 04:18, 28 March 2024 (UTC)reply
No, the blurb is the summary of the news item which is the death of the person. Age is additional information.
Ktin (
talk) 04:35, 28 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Sure, that's why it's in all the headlines provided above and why no such prior blurb has added a place or cause. I hope the small print means you're kidding. If not, maybe propose an ageless blurb that rather focuses on how the field of behavioural economics has been affected by the loss of its bedrock (or something RD can't say).
InedibleHulk (
talk) 05:03, 28 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Small font because this conversation is irrelevant. Clearly you can think of a blurb which doesn’t include age. Go figure.
Ktin (
talk) 06:32, 28 March 2024 (UTC)reply
There was a recent blurb that was about an old man dying.
Traumnovelle (
talk) 08:38, 28 March 2024 (UTC)reply
I don't think there's ever been a moment in the history of ITN when "we recently blurbed an old person's death" didn't ring true.
Kurtis(talk) 16:40, 28 March 2024 (UTC)reply
If you mean old man Mulroney, yeah, quite unfortunate. He was 84. At least in that case, further information did appear for a week or so in his death section and funeral article. Kahneman's article doesn't even have a death section. We could link the whole article, in bold, with a photo and note of how old he was. But I don't think that update is ever going to tell a reader more, so there's really no point in following along.
InedibleHulk (
talk) 23:43, 28 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Are you calling his death unfortunate or the fact it got blurbed?
Traumnovelle (
talk) 23:49, 28 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Both (in different ways, of course).
InedibleHulk (
talk) 23:56, 28 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Comment. The current criteria for blurbing deaths allows for major figures in any domain. The question to ask is -- as someone who served as the bedrock of
behavioral economics as a field of study, was Kahneman a major figure in this area. My thinking is yes.
Ktin (
talk) 02:58, 28 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Support blurb Certainly at the top of his field, one of the most influential economists of his time, and Nobel laureate. Also somewhat of a household name due to his bestselling book Thinking, Fast and Slow which encompasses much of his research.
Davey2116 (
talk) 03:48, 28 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Oppose blurb, a blurb on this would be an embarrassment to the Main Page. The nominator should refrain from making blurb suggestions going forward. Abductive (
reasoning) 07:29, 28 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Not my suggestion. I'd say it was borderline.
Martinevans123 (
talk) 08:03, 28 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Even if it was your suggestion, and even if said suggestion would be "an embarrassment to the Main Page", that doesn't give anyone the right to cast aspersions against you or anyone else over a difference of opinion.
Kurtis(talk) 16:33, 28 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Perhaps I'll just make blurb suggestions going backwards.
Martinevans123 (
talk) 16:37, 28 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Just as long as you're okay with receiving credit in a future that never comes.
Kurtis(talk) 16:42, 28 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Seeing as a blurb has been receiving at least a modicum of support, I'd say it's not an unreasonable proposal.
Kurtis(talk) 16:29, 28 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Oppose blurb Great thinker and theorist, but not really for a blurb. I included insights from the prospect theory in my master thesis some ten years ago, and the true brain who delivered that theory was
Amos Tversky. Not to belittle Kahneman's work, but he came up with ideas regarding cognitive biases that Tversky managed to mathematicise and bring to the general audience. Moreover, his contributions to
behavioural economics are not seminal enough as
John Forbes Nash Jr's contributions to
game theory (in fact, the cornerstone in behavioural economics that most other theories descend from is the
bounded rationality, and the real equivalent to Nash in behavioural economics would be
Herbert A. Simon). There are also other psychologists who independently developed mainstream theories with wide applications to economics, such as
Gerd Gigerenzer with his work on heuristics, so Kahneman's work isn't really a starting point for anyone working in the field. That being said, the statements that he was on top of economics as a field are quite wide off the mark.--
Kiril Simeonovski (
talk) 08:36, 28 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Support blurb Just running his name alone in RD would be insufficient and the article seems quite comprehensive and worthy. The bottom blurb which would be replaced is two weeks old now and so is stale. It's also less interesting -- just another routine election.
Andrew🐉(
talk) 13:13, 28 March 2024 (UTC)reply
The few expansions of the past 24 hours have been nice, but I do believe we need more expansion on this article before a blurb is appropriate. In particular, I think more details on his later life and death would be necessary for a blurb. ~
Maplestrip/Mable (
chat) 13:23, 28 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Oppose blurb I do not think this is blurb worthy as I believe we should only blurb when the death is notable enough.
PrinceofPunjabTALK 15:34, 28 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Comment. Is there anything pending for this article to go to RD? Please can someone tag / annotate accordingly if there are any editor actions needed?
Ktin (
talk) 18:45, 28 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Bit of an overkill to add references to that section. Should ideally be treated like the "See also" section. Nevertheless, I went ahead and added references to that section. So, we should be good there now. Marking ready.
Ktin (
talk) 01:49, 29 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Support RD, oppose blurb. If we have to explain who the person is in the blurb, they really shouldn't be blurbed.
Chaotıċ Enby (
talk ·
contribs) 19:04, 28 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Oppose blurb His death was not notable in and of itself, and there is only a two sentence update about it on his page.
Gödel2200 (
talk) 00:38, 29 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Posted to RDStephen 02:17, 29 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see
this RFC and
further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets
WP:ITNRD.
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see
this RFC and
further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets
WP:ITNRD.
Support. A solid B-class article on a major figure. The "Collections" and "Awards" sections have an improperly formatted citation that goes to a dead PDF, and it's not clear why some of the images of his work are fair use while others are not (perhaps that just reflects different
freedom of panorama rules for sculptures in different countries), but I do not see these as blocking issues. Sdkbtalk 21:01, 27 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see
this RFC and
further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets
WP:ITNRD.
Major US bridge collapse. Potential for a high number of casualties.
Mjroots (
talk) 08:06, 26 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Support but wait unlikely to not be a mass casualty event, but article is too short at the moment and information is lacking.
Juxlos (
talk) 08:12, 26 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Support Alt1 since it links to the reasonably developed article on the bridge itself. The collapse article is under construction. Abductive (
reasoning) 08:26, 26 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Wait – Both articles are in rough shape and the situation is still developing. SounderBruce 08:31, 26 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Support once it's ready.
Kiwiz1338 (
talk) 09:16, 26 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Oppose No fatalities have been reported so far.
_-_Alsor (
talk) 09:19, 26 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Human lives are not the price demanded by an ITN.--
Jasper Deng(talk)
ITN should not depend on fatalities. It should depend on how widely covered it is. Also, a disaster can be a disaster without fatalities. For example, ITN posted the Norfolk Southern train derailment back in February 23, 2023. No one died in that event.
Djprasadian (
talk) 14:33, 26 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Oppose. Thankfully no deaths, so doesn't rise to the bar of an ITN entry for a disaster. —
Amakuru (
talk) 09:32, 26 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Moving to support per below. I guess the infrastructure angle is interesting and newsworthy too. —
Amakuru (
talk) 09:57, 26 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Neutral, leaning support - but it is certainly instructive to see how people vote and argue on this topic, compared to similar cases elsewhere in the world.
GenevieveDEon (
talk) 09:46, 26 March 2024 (UTC)reply
ITN has posted several bridges elsewhere such as
India and
Turkey in 2022.
Andrew🐉(
talk) 10:18, 26 March 2024 (UTC)reply
I know, and while I'd rather not see this feed run entirely on precedents, those are relevant points in favour of posting. But there is nonetheless a persistent strain of argument from various quarters that diminishes mass casualty events outside Europe and North America. In this case, all I'm arguing for is modest caution. This is a developing story, and it's likely to be posted for good reason.
GenevieveDEon (
talk) 10:25, 26 March 2024 (UTC)reply
One of those had 100 deaths and the other was the world's longest suspension bridge. No opinion on this nom, but those aren't good comparisons.
AryKun (
talk) 10:27, 26 March 2024 (UTC)reply
You might equally say that one was just a footbridge and the other had no deaths. The best comparison is with the current bottom blurb which would be replaced by this one. That's the Portuguese election which was over two weeks ago and so is longer in the news.
Andrew🐉(
talk) 10:48, 26 March 2024 (UTC)reply
I wouldn't care if it was a cartoon log over a canyon that collapsed if the number of deaths was 135 in this instance. Great job entering a discussion where people are talking about arguments that diminish "mass casualty events outside Europe and North America" and doing exactly that.
AryKun (
talk) 14:41, 26 March 2024 (UTC)reply
For
the talk page analysis, there's a
table of noms. This currently lists 10 disasters/natural disasters. Six of these were in
South Asia but none at all in Europe or the US. So, this is the first US one that we've had for a while.
Andrew🐉(
talk) 17:36, 26 March 2024 (UTC)reply
South Asia has roughly six times the US's population and way more creaky infrastructure, it obviously has more mass casualty events. Just because American newspapers tend to feature American and non-American events as their headline about the same number of times doesn't mean that the US is magically as important as the rest of the world combined. My comment above was specifically about your "just a footbridge" comment; if 135 people died in the Anglosphere because they sank into the sidewalk, you wouldn't be making the same flippant remarks.
AryKun (
talk) 18:38, 26 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Support Significant destruction of a major engineering structure with international coverage. Alt1 preferred but either are ok.
yorkshiresky (
talk) 09:48, 26 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Support -- this is awful. Likely 20 people have fallen in the water and at this point they have likely died of hypothermia. It's horrible. --
RockstoneSend me a message! 10:05, 26 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Support - major story which has been given a dedicated live feed on BBC, and with 20+ people missing it's just as presumptuous for us to assume there are no deaths as it is for us to assume there are. –
filelakeshoe (
t /
c)
🐱 10:12, 26 March 2024 (UTC)reply
And yet when twenty people are confirmed dead in a transportation accident in the Global South, the usual suspects turn up here with tired arguments about 'bus plunges'. I'm leaning more and more in favour of this story being posted - but let's not kid ourselves that ITN !voters treat all such cases fairly.
GenevieveDEon (
talk) 10:15, 26 March 2024 (UTC)reply
That's to miss the key thing being noted, which is how atypical such an event is. When striving to take efforts to avoid being tunnel-visioned, one would notice (for instance) that a mass shooting event rarely makes ITN... If it occurred in the United States. However, mass shootings elsewhere on the globe very readily get posted, because they are unusual for those countries. So to prescribe one effect as purely one form of bias is to ignore the reality of the broader picture.
Nottheking (
talk) 10:32, 26 March 2024 (UTC)reply
That's a fair point. It's certainly not my intention to claim this is a universal problem with a single right solution. I would just like to see some fairness.
GenevieveDEon (
talk) 10:43, 26 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Support This is definitely a very unusual disaster of high encyclopedic value which sends a clear message that the infrastructure built in the 1970s may not be sufficient to accommodate the current transport needs carried on the modern watercraft.--
Kiril Simeonovski (
talk) 11:07, 26 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Support: it is now clear that this is a major event, and the article is good enough to stand on the front page given the high value of putting the event there. UndercoverClassicistT·
C 11:23, 26 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Support Article quality is only going to improve and this is very clearly ITN.
Kcmastrpc (
talk) 11:36, 26 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Support. A major and unusual infrastructure disaster, the artticle is in good enough shape already.
Nsk92 (
talk) 11:49, 26 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Support Major piece of infrastructure involved, completely destroyed, and making world headlines.
108.7.44.20 (
talk) 11:51, 26 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Support Highly unusual event that is receiving widespread global news coverage.
FlipandFlopped ツ 12:45, 26 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Support on notability due to the extreme abnormality of this event.
Gödel2200 (
talk) 12:51, 26 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Support Abnormal, outstanding event. Article is good. -
Bedivere (
talk) 13:06, 26 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Support Good job on the article, and the international press coverage shows there may be an effect on commerce.
Kablammo (
talk) 13:37, 26 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Support Not only is the impact on shipping and traffic notable, the media seems to be taking this by storm.
Gøøse060 (
talk) 14:07, 26 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Support Per above, Event is notable despite lack of major casualties,
Editor 5426387 (
talk) 14:17, 26 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Support Major infrastructure collapse. Biggest headline on CNN and BBC.
Djprasadian (
talk) 14:28, 26 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Just found out Commons is firewalled at my location's network, so any sysop please feel free to copy over the image, protect, and change to the bridge. Thanks.
You beat me to posting. I've added two bridge images to the protection page. –
Muboshgu (
talk) 14:47, 26 March 2024 (UTC)reply
I'm not opposing the posting, but MUST comment on the international coverage. I'm in Australia. Our media LOVES content from the USA, and LOVES dramatic imagery. This was a certainty to get coverage in Australia's news. That doesn't make it more important than a less dramatic and more deadly event, of which we have no pics, in a third world country.
HiLo48 (
talk) 22:42, 26 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Wikipedia must always be vigilant to not allow its
systemic biases to get in the way of balanced reporting.
HiLo48 (
talk) 00:17, 27 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Comment: Can an admin change the image on the mainpage to ? It illustrates the disaster better.
Bremps... 23:20, 26 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Add it to the image protection queue (see navbox at top of page) and give a bot about an hour to apply protection.
Masem (
t) 23:24, 26 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Can't; I don't have enough permissions to edit that page.
Or was that an instruction to an admin?
Bremps... 23:53, 26 March 2024 (UTC)reply
I forgot that the image prot. page is admin protected, and couldn't easily edit it from my phone. The image has since been added and protected, and I have swapped the photo. —
Masem (
t) 04:28, 27 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Post-posting support per above. Six people are presumed dead in this bridge collapse.
Davey2116 (
talk) 04:21, 27 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Question: should the (presumed) 6 fatalities now be added to the blurb? Thanks.
Martinevans123 (
talk) 18:42, 27 March 2024 (UTC)reply
I think it should be added.
Jbvann05 19:30, 27 March 2024 (UTC)reply
It's best asked here, it's already been removed from Errors as it's a change to an existing blurb. I personally don't see the need to mention deaths as that number is not something that would normally drive a posting.
Stephen 05:03, 28 March 2024 (UTC)reply
I agree with Stephen. In the big scheme of things, the fatalities are not what makes this event notable. Therefore, it's not necessary to expand the blurb for this. Schwede66 07:33, 28 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Thirded, Stephen and Schwede.
DarkSide830 (
talk) 02:55, 29 March 2024 (UTC)reply
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Australian historian, journalist, commentator and author.
65.94.213.53 (
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Needs Expansion.
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Internationally performing baritone, whose death (on 3 March) was entered here only yesterday. --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 16:37, 26 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Support everything looks well sourced and ready to go.
Aydoh8 (
talk |
contribs) 23:17, 26 March 2024 (UTC)reply
The nominated event is listed on
WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet
WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Rival candidates have conceded defeat meaning Faye has won
BastianMAT (
talk) 16:10, 25 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Support - I just saw this on NDR's Tagesschau. ITN/R, so if the article is in decent condition, this should go ahead.
GenevieveDEon (
talk) 16:20, 25 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Support. Massive feat in Senegalese history.
Jebiguess (
talk) 16:56, 25 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Support Article seems to be fully sourced.
Gödel2200 (
talk) 17:09, 25 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Update The associated picture does not reflect the image of the elected President
Heatrave (
talk) 12:12, 26 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Pull. Still very limited results in the article (.3% reporting) and the article states the results are not finalized yet. I believe this posting was a tad premature.
DarkSide830 (
talk) 23:58, 25 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Very few of the articles I've read state that he's won, more that he's "projected to", "likely to" or is "expected to" win.
DarkSide830 (
talk) 00:55, 26 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Again: The opposition has conceded, as has been widely reported in reliable sources.
GenevieveDEon (
talk) 09:45, 26 March 2024 (UTC)reply
"Projected to" is generally the bar we use or, more specifically, the fact that reliable sources are calling it. In the US presidential election of 2020, the opposition rather notably did not concede the election, but we still posted once reliable sources projected the win for the Democratic candidate. —
Amakuru (
talk) 10:00, 26 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Oh, I'm not arguing that we should only post when the opposition concedes. But when it comes to assessing reliable sources for who has won the election, the defeated party saying they're defeated is pretty significant.
GenevieveDEon (
talk) 10:09, 26 March 2024 (UTC)reply
What exactly is going on? Conceding an election with .3% reporting is bizarre. Is there any more context we can give in the blurb?
Bremps... 17:09, 26 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Incumbent
APR party was extremely unpopular due to some pretty blatant corruption, and opposition candidate Faye had some big endorsements, so it was already expected that he was going to win by a landslide. Election was free and fair keeping up with Senegal's strong democratic traditions, nothing unusual here.
Curbon7 (
talk) 06:04, 28 March 2024 (UTC)reply
(Closed) UNSC ceasefire resolution
Consensus unlikely to form. QueenofHearts 09:40, 26 March 2024 (UTC)reply
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First UNSC res to pass for ceasefire. US abstained. Big news story. Israel won't send delegation, deepening rift in relations.
Personisinsterest (
talk) 16:16, 25 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Comment would rather wait to see if both sides actually abide by this. The UNSC can call for a ceasefire but that's got little enforcement weight behind it. -
Masem (
t) 16:26, 25 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Oppose it is unlikely for it to actually happen, but support if it does happen
Ion.want.uu (
talk) 16:27, 25 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Oppose We already have an entry for Gaza in Ongoing and there have been repeated hostage and ceasefire proposals before.
Andrew🐉(
talk) 16:52, 25 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Oppose As far as I can tell, this resolution won't necessarily have any real effects for getting a ceasefire. Of course, if a ceasefire actually happens, then that would be notable enough.
Gödel2200 (
talk) 17:03, 25 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Oppose covered by ongoing.
_-_Alsor (
talk) 17:06, 25 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Oppose as covered by ongoing.
TheKip 18:16, 25 March 2024 (UTC)reply
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Notable German–Irish sculptor who died aged 96 leaving behind a significant body of work. Page as is is cited, but does need some more expansion which am still working on...will take a day or two.
Ceoil (
talk) 03:04, 26 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Support The article is well-cited and looks ready to post. --
MtPenguinMonster (
talk) 10:05, 26 March 2024 (UTC)reply
The article has three citation needed tags.
Flibirigit (
talk) 15:11, 26 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Thanks...resolved now.
Ceoil (
talk) 15:37, 26 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Support. I see no issues remaining.
Flibirigit (
talk) 16:25, 26 March 2024 (UTC)reply
A magnitude 6.9
earthquake has hit a remote part of western
Papua New Guinea, killing five people and causing extensive damage to around 1,000 homes.
(VOA)
A
rally car veers off the road and
crashes into a group of spectators during the Esztergom-Nyerges Rally between the towns of
Lábatlan and
Bajót in northwest
Hungary, killing four people and injuring eight others.
(AP)
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Centenarian psychologist who helped children survivors of the Holocaust. Found article in fine shape. --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 08:21, 28 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Rare feat in an ancient sport like sumo, although the tournament was won on March 24. Potentially complicated but at least worth discussing.
OtharLuin (
talk) 10:48, 27 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Oppose Unfortunately not ITN/R and not really that notable to be ITN-material. TwistedAxe[contact] 10:54, 27 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Oppose - Whilst a notable achievement, this doesn't really stand out overall. Our usual ITN story for sumo is the promotion of a new yokozuna.
GenevieveDEon (
talk) 11:09, 27 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Support Not being ITN/R is a plus as that means it's not routine. And it seems to be a once-in-a-century record. It's also a non-Anglo sport which provides some diversity.
Andrew🐉(
talk) 11:16, 27 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Oppose as trivia. Just because something is rare doesn't mean it is important. If he rises to the top of sumo (by becoming
yokozuna) then we'll post that. One tournament along the way isn't suitable.
Modest Geniustalk 12:11, 27 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Support Once-in-a-century achievement, and a good quality article. Would make a refreshing change to highlight something like this at ITN. That there is an ITN/R entry for sumo doesn't preclude us from posting something different once in a while. --
Pawnkingthree (
talk) 12:40, 27 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Oppose per above. This is a rare achievement, but he hasn't become the top of sumo yet.
Gödel2200 (
talk) 13:01, 27 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Support The oppose votes here seem very circular and gatekeep-y to me. We should not post this to ITN as this is not the kind of thing we post at ITN. In what way does this not meet our purpose? A recent event, getting wide coverage in the media, leading to a substantial, quality update to the encyclopedia. Let me put it this way: would posting this story help or hurt the project? It's a no-brainer. GreatCaesarsGhost 16:10, 27 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Oppose the essence of this story is an athlete happening to win a major championship the first time they participated in that. That sounds like a happenstance and does not reflect on a career-spanning achievement, which would be a better story for ITN' s purpose.
Masem (
t) 16:26, 27 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Most people are destined to die, yet their death is recorded in ITN. I honestly don't see why achieving a feat that hasn't been seen for a century should be disqualifying just because an athlete is doing his job... and on the subject of "career-spanning achievement", I think that, on the contrary, people now remember Takeruufuji precisely because he achieved this performance. -
OtharLuin (
talk) 17:08, 27 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Their death is recorded on ITN at the bottom of template in a smaller subsection with a bunch of other names, not at the big list of news that prominently sticks out and you read first, where the target article is bolded and highlighted in an entire sentence amongst the other news. Comparing this blurb nomination to an RD is not right.
2001:4651:F168:0:F55B:64A8:3A9C:A50A (
talk) 21:27, 27 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Oppose as trivia. nableezy - 16:32, 27 March 2024 (UTC)reply
The initial kidnapping apparently flew under the radar, but the release is probably also ITN-worthy. A BBC piece (
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-68649221) states that the army contested the number of students released (137 instead of 280), but I cannot find this information elsewhere.
Bremps... 23:42, 26 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Would also appreciate an altblurb because I apparently suck at writing these things
Bremps... 23:44, 26 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Support on notability due to the scale of the event being larger than many of the previous kidnappings in the
Nigerian bandit conflict. Oppose on quality due to the article being a stub, and having multiple statements in the infobox unsupported elsewhere.
Gödel2200 (
talk) 13:08, 27 March 2024 (UTC)reply
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A list of sources is provided. Help is needed to place more citations inline.
Flibirigit (
talk) 22:17, 25 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Comment shouldn't this be
George Abbey (engineer)? Bit weird to have a disambiguation after an employer, even if it's a notable one.
Abcmaxx (
talk) 21:22, 26 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Comment sad to see that he just died. Will get to sourcing work after I complete some schoolwork.
❤HistoryTheorist❤ 22:28, 26 March 2024 (UTC)reply
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It needs much more updating, especially inline citations. Will look later today. --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 12:00, 25 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Oppose, quite a lot of unsourced content.
Suonii180 (
talk) 20:21, 25 March 2024 (UTC)reply
I said the same just above, please help or wait instead. I can't help an IP nominating before anything is close to being ready. --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 20:25, 25 March 2024 (UTC)reply
The works section still has a maintenance tag and the majority of the list is still unsourced.
Suonii180 (
talk) 21:46, 26 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Suonii180, the works are sourced to the publishers, mainly Schott, on top of the section. The maintenance says that one user thinks the list is too detailed. You others: do you think the same? Then I'll split it off. (I did that once before, only to have someone else bring the works back after a while). --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 06:31, 27 March 2024 (UTC)reply
The (sourced) works are now - thanks to
Amitchell125 - in a separate article. --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 07:36, 28 March 2024 (UTC)reply
(Closed) McDonald's closed in Sri Lanka
Consensus to post will not develop.
Stephen 09:42, 25 March 2024 (UTC)reply
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Articles:McDonald's (
talk·history·tag) and Abans (
talk·history·tag) Blurb: McDonald's outlets in Sri Lanka have been closed down due to the poor quality supply of food items and unhygienic food items in Sri Lanka and Abans is removed as franchisee of McDonald’s. (
Post) News source(s):Reuters Credits:
Oppose per above. Also ITN requires a dedicated article.
Natg 19 (
talk) 03:37, 25 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Not true, it requires (outside of RDs) a significant update to an article. Whether thats a new one or an existing one, it just must be significant. —
Masem (
t) 03:53, 25 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Oppose and close per above. Far too minor for ITN.
TheKip 05:48, 25 March 2024 (UTC)reply
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Comment is she even notable? This seems like a case of
WP:1E to me, as she wasn't notable whilst alive (mayor of a town of 10,000 people doesn't make someone notable), but all the coverage is of her death. Seems like this article should probably be at
Killing of Brigitte García as it's focused on the event and not the biography. Either way, most of the biographical details like date of birth are unsourced, and the article is too short to be considered as meeting
WP:ITNQUALITY.
Joseph2302 (
talk) 09:54, 25 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Comment have started an AFD on this.
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(Closed) Simon Harris (politician) in the 2024 Fine Gael leadership election
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Mentioned in the "Fine Gael leadership" section of
Simon Harris (politician) as well. There may be a better article more suited for this nomination, and the article likely needs more updates.
Staraction (
talk |
contribs) 13:45, 24 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Wait until he formally becomes the Taoiseach.
Gödel2200 (
talk) 13:51, 24 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Wait per Gödel2200. I've also added an altblurb to more accurately reflect when the time comes around. TwistedAxe[contact] 14:25, 24 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Looks like the change in power will not occur until April 9, so wait until then.
Natg 19 (
talk) 16:49, 24 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Comment: Not sure if the altblurb works. Leo V. is not currently the youngest taoiseach. Perhaps omit Leo V. from the blurb? --
PFHLai (
talk) 18:01, 24 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Unless I am mistaken LV was the youngest taoiseach when he gained the office, so it works, but the main blurb is better.
Black Kite (talk) 18:53, 24 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Support main blurb, altblurb is a bit clumsy.
BilboBeggins (
talk) 19:11, 24 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Wait until he becomes Taoiseach, as per Gödel2200. --
MtPenguinMonster (
talk) 01:53, 25 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Wait. Even though it's likely he will become the Taoiseach, it still has to go to a vote of the Dáil Éireann and then be appointed by the President. Only then should it be ITN
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A
Houthi missile hits
Panamanian-flagged,
Chinese-owned and operated
oil tankerHuang Pu. It suffers minimal damage and a fire on board is quickly extinguished. No casualties are reported, and the vessel resumes its course.
(X)(Newsweek)(Marine Log)
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U.S. stop motion animator.
gobonobo+c 09:16, 26 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Weak oppose for now The filmography needs a few more references.
Blaylockjam10 (
talk) 23:48, 28 March 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Blaylockjam10: I've removed the items in the filmography that were unsourced until we can find references for them.
gobonobo+c 00:07, 29 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Support This article has enough details & references.
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talk) 07:30, 29 March 2024 (UTC)reply
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Diplomat and former chairman of PCB.
Ktin (
talk) 17:12, 24 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Comment: Close; a couple CN tags remain. SpencerT•C 05:25, 28 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Thanks @
Spencer:, I have added references and removed the CN tags. Please have a look at your convenience.
Ktin (
talk) 02:03, 29 March 2024 (UTC)reply
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added MONTENSEM and myself to updaters, will look again later - needs more work --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 07:20, 24 March 2024 (UTC)reply
one step further: now everything is sourced. There should be still more (recordings, reviews), but the next giant died. --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 10:21, 25 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Support RIP a great pianist.
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talk) 04:19, 27 March 2024 (UTC)reply
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Needs work. Will be worked on. –
Muboshgu (
talk) 18:52, 23 March 2024 (UTC) Should be fine now? –
Muboshgu (
talk) 19:21, 24 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Support All statements have been sourced.
Gödel2200 (
talk) 00:16, 26 March 2024 (UTC) Weak Oppose due to two unsourced statements in the infobox, but besides for that, the article looks good.
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This stubby new wikibio currently has only 188 words of prose. Please expand it to start class and add more REFs as required. Thanks. --
PFHLai (
talk) 17:58, 24 March 2024 (UTC)reply
No edits after 4 days. Time running out for this nom. --
PFHLai (
talk) 13:49, 29 March 2024 (UTC)reply
(Closed) Catherine Princess of Wales announces cancer diagnosis
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It isn't often a Princess announces a personal matter like this.
Urbanracer34 (
talk) 00:05, 23 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Oppose Barring a terminal condition, this is not the type of news we feature at ITN. Further, there's been issues with BLP around how we've covered her disappearance and that's something that needs to be cleaned up before we'd even feature her article on the main page —
Masem (
t) 00:13, 23 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Oppose Wikipedia does not cover celebrity news, and certainly not simple medical diagnosis.
Editor 5426387 (
talk) 00:52, 23 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Oppose The announcement of a medical condition is not ITN level news.
Gödel2200 (
talk) 00:54, 23 March 2024 (UTC)reply
support sorry but i think this was closed prematurely after only 4 votes. this page is supposed to represent what's in the news, and her cancer story is number 1 news everywhere. not just on lower class news outlets like TMZ and such but on nyt and wapo and wsj as well, and on all 3 it's the most read piece of news even above that russian terrorist attack.
Kasperquickly (
talk) 08:18, 23 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Oppose Wikipedia is not a celebrity news site. A royal announcing they have an illness is absolutely not the level of international importance to warrant ITN.
AusLondonder (
talk) 08:34, 23 March 2024 (UTC)reply
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Developing situation - article likely needs more work as events unfold.
Staraction (
talk |
contribs) 18:40, 22 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Support. Maybe mention ISIS in the blurb as they have just claimed responsibility
Prodrummer619 (
talk) 21:30, 22 March 2024 (UTC)reply
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Gödel2200: I've removed your nom, as Staraction was slightly faster in nominating.
Natg 19 (
talk) 18:43, 22 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Support on notability due to the scale of the event, though the article will need a lot of work before posting.
Gödel2200 (
talk) 18:45, 22 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Support on notability, although, yeah, it'll need improvement.
queen of 🖤 (they/them;
chat) 18:55, 22 March 2024 (UTC)reply
nb. over 130 people were injured, not killed. article says over 40 were killed.
queen of 🖤 (they/them;
chat) 18:58, 22 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Support on notability as per above.
209.147.23.77 (
talk) 19:01, 22 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Support in principle. A terrorist attack with such a death toll is certainly notable. However, there are very little details in reliable sources, so it may take some time until the article is expanded.--
Kiril Simeonovski (
talk) 19:00, 22 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Support on notability though the correct death toll (at least from articles I've seen on the topic) is 40 not 140, though this is still breaking news and English-language info on the subject is still sparse so we can reasonably expect figures to fluctuate for a little while as more news comes out. Horribly shocking tragedy no matter what figure is correct. As for quality, the article is being developed rapidly and changes every time I refresh. Last I checked it didn't look like it was missing any sources, but it's still stubby due to the limited info available at this time. Support posting once expanded. Vanilla Wizard 💙 19:09, 22 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Support on notability There are several people working on this currently, so I have no doubt that it'll be as current as sources allow and should be ready for ITN in time.
CommissarDoggoTalk? 19:13, 22 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Support once the article is ready.
The Moose 19:25, 22 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Support once it's ready.
Kiwiz1338 (
talk) 19:29, 22 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Note: I've boldly added some people I've seen updating the article in the history to the "updaters" section, although I'm sure I've missed some.
queen of 🖤 (they/them;
chat) 19:44, 22 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Support Very notable, the high death toll and the rarity of such an event occurring in Russia definitely makes this ITN-worthy once ready.
Editor 5426387 (
talk) 19:48, 22 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Krasnogorsk, Russia. If this happened in the US or UK, we'd say in
Gaithersburg, United States or in
Watford, United Kingdom, never just "near
Washington" or "near
London". If someone wants to know where in Russia that is, that's what we have an encyclopedia for. —
Cryptic 20:41, 22 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Both Watford and Gaithersburg are administratively separate from those cities (Watford being part of
Hertfordshire County, not
London region; Gaithersburg in
Maryland, not the
District of Columbia). In contrast, Krasnogorsk is a part of Moscow Oblast, and as per COMMONNAME an overwhelming amount of sources describe the attack as taking place in Moscow, best to reflect it as such (important to show that this didn't happen in an unremarkable town in the vastness of Russia but right in the heart of the country).
PrecariousWorlds (
talk) 13:44, 25 March 2024 (UTC)reply
It is very unlikely that we can get PD images of the event as it happens, and further being in Russia. We never require free images of events in progress, though if we can, hey great. However, we can use a PD image of the city hall from 2013 as I've added. —
Masem (
t) 22:11, 22 March 2024 (UTC)reply
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