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Nominator's rationale: A recently created category, it is unnecessary because there are very few (if any) states that could be described as "neo-fascist", those that can should simply be placed on the original category. --
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Category:Marina Malls Around The World
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Nominator's rationale: This deserves at the very least a renaming (to, say,
Category:Marina Malls) but I don't really see the point. These are just shopping malls that happen to share a name and, presumably, the property of being close to a marina (although that does not seem to be the case for
Marina Mall Accra or
Chennai Marina Mall).
Pichpich (
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Delete -- This seems to be a case of categorisation by SHAREDNAME, which is not allowed. If Kept rename to
Category:Marina Malls.
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Category:Armenian–Azerbaijani War
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Rename per Marcocapelle, and support shifting subcats such as the People one in the same way.
CMD (
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STOP! The article has been renamed back to the original title. Serves me right for trying to tidy up someone else's mess.
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Category:Non-sovereign countries with multiple official languages
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The result of the discussion was:delete. The category's contents are already in the merge target.
(non-admin closure)Qwerfjkltalk 17:01, 27 September 2022 (UTC)reply
Delete, this covers grey area that can better be dealt with in a list (in which details can be elaborated), not so much in a category which only offers inclusion or exclusion. For example
Curaçao is that a non-sovereign country or a dependent territory? There is no definite answer to that question.
Marcocapelle (
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I notice now that the list is probably going to be deleted soon. If even a list is not viable, then a category is even less so.
Marcocapelle (
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Delete and do not merge. Dependent territory has some definition, even if it gets really fuzzy at its edges. Non-sovereign countries is simply vague, and not remotely a defining characteristic (
WP:CATDEF).
CMD (
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Delete and do not merge despite the creator's claim, there is no clear definition of the contents of this. The phrase being referred to is presumably recognised as countries but do not hold supreme sovereignty, but the phrase recognised as countries is meaningful only if "country" means
sovereign state, and that's explicitly ruled out by the second half of the definition. The definition of a dependent territory, as CMD says, gets fuzzy around the edges, but in most cases it is clear whether an entity meets the definition or not. And several of the entities in this category are clearly not dependent territories. Kahastoktalk 07:20, 20 September 2022 (UTC)reply
So England is to be characterised as a dependent territory? Dependent on what?
Rathfelder (
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Of course not. I wrote: Remove England, Scotland and Wales, all the rest are dependent territories.Privybst (
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Thank you, I was looking in North America only. I wonder now if the qualification of dependent territory isn't equally subjective as non-sovereign country.
Marcocapelle (
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Delete and do not merge Fundamentally misconceived and ahistorical.
Rathfelder (
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Not sovereign states not countries.
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Nominator's rationale: rename, Moorish appears to be used as a synonym of Al-Andalus in these three cases, while Al-Andalus is more precise. Also merge the 3rd category per
WP:SMALLCAT.
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Support -- This appears a good solution.
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Category:Mauritanian Moors
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Nominator's rationale:delete, not a defining characteristic. The term
Mauritanian Moors is presumably meant to refer to the Arab-Berber part of the population but they are the majority anyway (~70%).
Marcocapelle (
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Keep -- Moors is the name used for the Arab-Berber "white" population (also known as Bidhane in the local Hassaniya Arabic dialect). Although it's more common in French, it's not rare to see it in English productions about the country. I think that keeping it does no harm :)
Tidjani Saleh (
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Moors is not among them, as an article, so this is not a case of singling out.
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Category:Cyber Ranges
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Nominator's rationale: Change to sentence case
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Support seems like a case of speedy renaming.
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No opposition Drawn here by User_talk notice from nom, I have no objection, but also have little familiarity with the relevant naming standards. —
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Comment that isn't correct.
Pavonis Mons isn't an astronomical object, but it is an astronomical location located on the astronomical object called Mars. There is fiction written about this location. Similary, we should not narow the scope of these categories, since there are fiction set at a specific location, and not across many locations on a celestial body. We seem to be missing a category heirarchy for space locations (ie.
Tranquility Base,
Wright Brothers Field,
Category:Surface features of bodies of the Solar System ) which might have astronmical objects as a subcategory. --
64.229.88.43 (
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None of these examples is fictional, so they do not seem very relevant in this discussion.
Marcocapelle (
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We would be narrowing the scope of the category tree by excluding any articles on fiction about astronomical locations that are not celestial bodies. Arthur C. Clarke's "The Sentinel" is set in Tycho Crater, and not the entire Moon. There are stories already out there written about specific extraterrestrial locations that are not just a generic setting on a celestial body or several parts of one, but about a specific place. Similarly there is a lot more fiction about non-terrestrial locations which are fictional that don't cover entire selestial bodies or several parts of one. The first category in this nomination is about fiction about locations, which would deal with real places. The second category in this nomination is about fictional ones, such as found in many a short story in the standard scifi pulp magazines (ie. Asimov's, Analog). Though instead of "astronomical" perhaps it should use "space", because of the fictional aspect --
64.229.88.43 (
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Can you give examples of articles that would be misclassified?
Marcocapelle (
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Rename per nom for consistency.
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Nominator's rationale: Precision, NPOV, and naming consistency per
WP:CATNAME. 'Fined' is ambiguous and inaccurate as these are civil, not criminal penalties, and 'fine' is more generally used for criminal penalties in the UK, and 'fine' is not used in the article - it is always 'fixed penalty notice'. 'Scandal' is subjective. Other similar categories use 'Recipients of something' rather than 'People who had something done to them'. --
DeFacto (
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Delete nondefining for all members (
t ·
c) buidhe 09:59, 2 September 2022 (UTC)reply
Is this category necessary at all? It seems a very narrow topic, also considering that it does not concern a criminal offense.
Marcocapelle (
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Delete as
WP:NONDEFINING. If kept, the proposed new name is better than the current name.
Joseph2302 (
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Delete - I'm persuaded too that, per
WP:NONDEFINING, it is non-defining. --
DeFacto (
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Keep and rename as proposed. I'm amazed anyone who follows British politics at all can regard this as non-defining. Do any of those calling it non-defining in fact live in the UK or follow things here? There are over 100 people potentially in this, but most are a) so far not notable, and b) it is so far unknown who received many of the penalties. The category will probably expand, and this will follow recipients for the rest of their careers.
Johnbod (
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I am not as convinced that the category will expand, or that this will follow recipients for the rest of their careers. In any case these are matters of crystal balling.
Marcocapelle (
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Rename -- The title should be shorter.
Category:People fined for Partygate affair might do. The full explanation can go in a headnote. I am not wholly clear, but the penalty notices were issued by the police and appeal would be to the magistrates court, not the county court or a tribunal. This is much what happens with minor motoring offences. Yes, they are technically not treated as criminal convictions, but I do not think they have been decriminalised in the way that parking enforcement has been.
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Delete as non-defining.
Pichpich (
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Delete SMALLCAT:
Partygate has been a big political issue in UK, ultimately ending in the resignation of the Johnson government. However, the names of the offenders (mostly civil servants) have not been publicly named. Thus we have only four names in the category. The article mentions one more person who has no article but 126 Fixed Penalty Notices were issued to 83 people. So, there are 78 people who might be in the category, but whose names have not been published. There is thus no prospect of the category being properly populated. The known FPN recipients are all named in the article. I am thus concluding that this is not something useful to have as a category, unless a full list of FPN recipients is published, which is unlikely.
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Set indices on tropical cyclones
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@
R'n'B: did you intend some distinction by renaming those subcats as "set index articles" rather than "set indices" like the higher categories? If not, they could be added here and renamed again. –
FayenaticLondon 16:12, 10 September 2022 (UTC)reply
I did not intend any distinction. Either form appears correct to me; "set index articles" is perhaps more accessible to the casual reader, but "indices" works too. --
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Category:Towns in Ternopil Oblast
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Nominator's rationale: Propose upmerging to
Category:Cities in Ternopil Oblast. In Ukraine, there is no formal separation into cities and towns. Sometimes
urban-type settlements are erroneously called "towns", but all entities in this category are cities.
Ymblanter (
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Absolutely. I will look into this.
Ymblanter (
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Support, while I am certainly not an expert in Ukrainian nomenclature, I note that there are very few "towns in Ukraine" categories, so I am supporting this if only for consistency.
Marcocapelle (
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While I would ultimately not be against that either, this has been implemented in hardly any (other) country. Presumably a mass nom would be required to achieve that.
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Category:Films directed by Víctor García (Spanish director)
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Comment: English sources don't seem to bother with the diacritics, but the article names in French, German and Romanian Wikipedias do have accents on both Ís
[1] –
FayenaticLondon 20:36, 20 September 2022 (UTC)reply
I will not hesitate to withdraw my support when the article is renamed to
Víctor García but honestly if the article name is changed I would rather expect a move to
Victor Garcia.
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Category:Wikipedians interested in Indian content
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Support per nom.
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Support per nom.
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