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Does anyone know how the authors are selected for the template? I'm not asking because the selection is bad or fallacious, I just wondered what's the criteria for being there? Maybe we could alter it with some discussion and set a kind of standard? What do you think? -- Quinlan Vos ( talk) 08:59, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
Template:Literature of Turkey → Template:Turkish Literature — 1) Template heading itself redirected to Turkish literature. 2)Literature of Turkey could mean also Kurdish, Armenian, Laz, Greek literature from Turkey but the template is focused on Turkish literature. So this is discriminatory. 3) Some of these poets where from Iraq (Fizuli) or outside of the modern boundary of the country Turkey. 4) There are Ottoman Turkish poets outside of the country of Turkey and even from the Balkans but they are not part of the territory of Turkey. 5) Virtually all such Wikipedia templates tie literature with language and not modern boundaries which have ethnic diversity. 6) Turkish Literature is a much more common name and in authoritative Encyclopedias like Encyclopedia of Islam, the term Turkish literature is used rather than literature of Turkey. 7) Some of these poets/writers lived before there was a country established by the named Turkey. — Nepaheshgar ( talk) 12:18, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
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- support based on the above reasoning. -- Nepaheshgar ( talk) 12:21, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
- Weak support on the analogy of Template:French literature (small). I do not subscribe to all these arguments; but I see no strong reason not to move. Template:Literature in Turkish might be even clearer. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 15:17, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
- Authoritative Encyclopedias(say Encyclopedia of Islam) have Turkish literature so that is why I chose that name. -- Nepaheshgar ( talk) 15:41, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
support Tājik ( talk) 17:33, 27 October 2008 (UTC)- support The template covers only Turkish Literature of Turkey . Adding other non-Turkish Literature of Turkey,at least due to historical difficulties seems tobe impossible. -- Alborz Fallah ( talk) 11:38, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
- support. could include contemporary Turkish language literature written by expatriates. Aramgar ( talk) 02:13, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
- support I support renaming it as "Template:Turkish literature" E104421 ( talk) 22:29, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
Discussion
- Any additional comments:
- support, but I prefer the explicit Template:Literature in Turkish template which makes it very clear that we are talking about a language classification and not a national classification. -- Bejnar ( talk) 19:14, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
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- comment That is fine also. Although in Encyclopedias when they use Turkish literature they mean Anatolian Turkish literature. But since Turkish can also stand for citizenship of Turkey, the literature in Turkish is even more precise and I support it. -- Nepaheshgar ( talk) 02:21, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
- oppose since all other templates should also be renamed if we follow this, for example, "Template:Persian literature" is to be renamed as "Template:Literature in Persian", ... Furthermore, this kind of naming imply the translated works. E104421 ( talk) 22:29, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
- You have a point there. Persian literature is widely used term
[1], plus the equivalent to the current name would "Literature of Iran" and then having only Persian literature and excluding say Kurdish literature. Also "Turkish literature" generates 6470 hits, but literature of Turkey only 242 and literature in Turkish is less. Turkish literature is included in Encyclopedias but Literature of Turkey is not an Encyclopedic entry. One can not exclude Kurdish literature or include Turkish literature from outside of Turkey and then call it literature of Turkey. I agree though, although literature in Turkish is more precise, we can just have a note on the template mentioning this is a literature in the Turkish language, so people are not confused since Turkish is also a citizenship. Persian today is not a citizenship since the country is called Iran. But Turkish is both citizenship and language. --
Nepaheshgar (
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- Your comparison of "Literature of Turkey" and "Literature of Iran" are analogous to each other. On the other hand, "Template:Turkish literature" is more appropriate since it directly refers to the language. The usage "Russian literature" or "Turkish literature" or whatelse are also analogous. "Literature in Turkish" is somewhat ambiguous. The common one is Turkish literature, we have the article here exacly with the same name. E104421 ( talk) 15:00, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
- Okay good point. I agree Turkish literature seems to be widely used term in Encyclopedias. I try to model Wikipedia articles with regards to Islamic countries as close as possible to Encyclopedia of Islam and then Encyclopedia Iranica. There are actually even Iranians who wrote in Ottoman Turkish [2] and specially Sunni Iranians who migrated to the Ottoman empire during the Safavid era. -- Nepaheshgar ( talk) 05:08, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
I will try to make it look still better, notably by shortening the gaps, though I have to see how it is done. Cretanforever 4 November
- Hi there is only one issue. Dīwān ul-Lughat al-Turk, Orkhon inscription, Codex Cumanicus are not Turkish or even Western Turkic but Eastern Turkic from my understanding. -- Nepaheshgar ( talk) 13:58, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
- Holy grave! Thank you for putting some much needed order to the subject.
- Cretanforever
- But where does Küçük İskender fit in all this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.100.89.244 ( talk) 10:44, 13 November 2008 (UTC)