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Infobox images
The0Quester, regarding the collage - the photo of the
McDowell Mountains is pretty, but although they can be seen from Phoenix they are miles away. I think a photo of someplace within the city would be better,
Camelback Mountain for instance.
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WP:SNOW closed as not moved. There is an overwhelming and uniform consensus against the proposed move, and no reasonable possibility that further discussion will yield a different outcome.
BD2412T 17:37, 4 February 2023 (UTC)reply
Oppose move. The mythological bird seems to get enough hits to deny the city primary status. O.N.R.(talk) 02:52, 1 February 2023 (UTC)reply
Oppose.
WP:USPLACE still specifically states: Cities listed in the AP Stylebook as not requiring the state modifier in newspaper articles have their articles named "City" unless they are not the primary topic for that name (emphasis added), with a footnote referencing this current situation with Phoenix. Why do you think the top of the
Phoenix disambiguation page
currently lists the bird before the city?
Phoenix (mythology) still has about equal long-term significance. And looking at the page views of both articles,
[1] I do not feel that the city's article gets that of an overwhelming amount of hits compared to the one on the mythological bird.
Zzyzx11 (
talk) 03:34, 1 February 2023 (UTC)reply
https://wikinav.toolforge.org/?language=en&title=Phoenix actually already indicates that the city doesn't even come close to overwhelming the combined interest among these notable topics, as it gets 1.72k clicks out of 11.4k incoming visits (15%) and is far behind the creature. I think you have to make a much stronger argument either based on usage or on long-term significance in order to counter this. --
Joy (
talk) 09:00, 1 February 2023 (UTC)reply
Oppose The bird clearly has an advantage on the city + what other opposing editors said. --
Killuminator (
talk) 10:32, 1 February 2023 (UTC)reply
Oppose the bird and the Harry Potter book win.
Laurel Lodged (
talk) 11:45, 1 February 2023 (UTC)reply
Harry Potter 5 isn't primarily known as just Phoenix. It isn't relevant here. O.N.R.(talk) 22:07, 2 February 2023 (UTC)reply
Oppose. Whilst I fail to see the point of
WP:USPLACE it is widely accepted. And in any case, the mythological bird is just as notable if not more so. --
Necrothesp (
talk) 13:36, 1 February 2023 (UTC)reply
Oppose Disambiguation in the title is required here as there is no primary topic.
Rreagan007 (
talk) 19:00, 1 February 2023 (UTC)reply
Oppose as this rename request rises from the snowfall.
Randy Kryn (
talk) 09:31, 2 February 2023 (UTC)reply
WP:SNOW early close this would have to be the worst RM nom I have seen in a decade plus on en.wp
In ictu oculi (
talk) 11:09, 2 February 2023 (UTC)reply
Oppose in this case disambiguation is needed as its not primary unlike
Nashville. The bird probably has more long-term significance and the bird has nearly as many views (65,932) as the city in Arizona (73,377)[
[2]]. Crouch, Swale (
talk) 17:25, 2 February 2023 (UTC)reply
Oppose and SNOW close—I'd probably have just closed this discussion myself except that the nominator just put notices on several talk pages, and it would be a little rude for those finding this discussion through those notices to see it closed already. This request is not going to pass by a long shot because the city is not the primary topic for the name, a fact WP:USPLACE explicitly notes, so citing that guideline as a rationale is a big failure in and of itself. As has been demonstrated in several comments, the page view stats continue to bear out that fact. The discussion is running 11–1 at this moment against the request, and I don't see that margin logically decreasing, thus a SNOW close is the appropriate conclusion. Imzadi 1979→ 17:38, 2 February 2023 (UTC)reply
Phoenix is exempt from that like
Los Angeles etc but since its not primary it does require the comma. Crouch, Swale (
talk) 22:16, 2 February 2023 (UTC)reply
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Citation Needed tag for Spanish Translation
The lede has a CN tag for the Spanish translation of Phoenix as Fenix. Sources disagree on whether the city of Phoenix is translated the same as the mythological creature, in which case it would be Fenix, or whether it is just spelled Phoenix but pronounced with a F (as Spanish doesn't have a ph pronunciation exception). A Spanish language editor could perhaps provide some more clarity here.
Fireboltsilver (
talk) 16:20, 14 July 2023 (UTC)reply
Placenames usually arent "translated" but we have exceptions in English for well-known cities like Moscow and I suppose Mexico City. Still, the Spanish Wikipedia article is at
es:Phoenix, not Fénix, and only mentions the spelling Fénix twice, both times describing it as being used only occasionally.
—Soap— 13:27, 15 September 2023 (UTC)reply
Requested move 20 January 2024
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The result of the move request was: Not Moved. There is strong consensus to not move the article to the proposed title. Several editors commented that a
WP:SNOW close is warranted in this case.
Station1 (
talk) 22:34, 20 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Strong oppose as both a misinterpretation of the guideline, as well as a made-up name for the subject and an argument that does not make sense. Long story short, the name of
New York City is "New York City", whereas the name of "Phoenix, Arizona" without the state in its name is "Phoenix", not "Phoenix City". In addition, I do not know of a single anything that refers to the city of "Phoenix, Arizona" as "Phoenix City", so not only is it not a
WP:COMMONNAME at all ... or ever. (Will it
WP:SNOW in Phoenix, Arizona?)
Steel1943 (
talk) 08:01, 20 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Oppose per above. "Phoenix, Arizona" is more typical.
Mellk (
talk) 08:04, 20 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Oppose. Nominator, did you mean
Phoenix (city)? Phoenix City is a non-starter, not a proper name. The best descriptor would seem to be the present title, even if AP lists it as a one-word city AP is not an encyclopedia or dictionary where the bird flies into the picture.
Randy Kryn (
talk) 09:45, 20 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Oppose per Steel1943 et al. The proposed name isn't used by RS and doesn't square with USPLACE at all. Definitely
WP:SNOW.
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talk 10:58, 20 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Oppose. As others have stated, "Phoenix City" is nowhere near a
WP:COMMONAME (incidentally looking at its page history, that appears to have been originally intended in 2007 as a
redirect from a misspelling to the
Phenix City, Alabama article before an
IP changed it two years later). And in terms of
WP:NCDAB, I rather have the article stay where it is at "Phoenix, Arizona" with the comma-separated disambiguation to be consistent with the other articles under
WP:USPLACE.
Zzyzx11 (
talk) 11:04, 20 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Oppose and snow close Nobody uses the proposed format.
Killuminator (
talk) 15:11, 20 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Comment. There is a Southern place named
Phenix City, which redirects to
Phenix City, Alabama (the Alabama city's name is pronounced the same as the Arizona metropolis). A film that dramatized the fall of its corrupt leadership — The Phenix City Story — was released in 1955. —
Roman Spinner(talk •
contribs) 16:43, 20 January 2024 (UTC)reply
I think the redirect should be changed back there but perhaps disambiguation (and sending to RFD). Crouch, Swale (
talk) 22:22, 20 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Strong oppose per reasons above. I have lived here for my entire life, and I have never heard anyone refer to it as Phoenix City. GSK (
talk •
edits) 17:27, 20 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Strong oppose per reasons above. I have always heard the city referred to as simply Phoenix, never "Phoenix City". In addition, other U.S. cities such as
Austin, Texas and
Columbus, Ohio have the state listed in the Wikipedia article title. Per
WP:COMMONNAME, the article title should be left as is.
VSA72 (
talk) 20:35, 20 January 2024 (UTC)reply
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