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This article received its FA rating back in 2007, at a time when the standards at FAC were considerably more relaxed than they have since become. Looking through this article, it is apparent that it does not meet present FA standards; indeed, it may even struggle to reach GA status. There are various sentences throughout the article that are simply unreferenced; the formatting of the citations that are used are haphazard; various sections, such as "Township", are badly organised and full of stand alone sentences; and there is an over-reliance on free web sources as opposed to more expert, print sources. I appreciate that a lot of time and effort probably went into getting this to FA status back in the noughties, but it is now time that we send this along to featured article review.
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The content below from the indicated sections was removed for various reasons, usually because of lack of citation. Please discuss these items in their sections below. ···
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In popular culture
The following content was removed because the mention was incidental or limited (such as to a single episode of a TV series, or a single scene in a film). These should be incorporated into the subject articles. ···
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In the 1984 movie The Karate Kid,
Daniel reads the letter which informed
Mr. Miyagi of the death of his wife and son during child birth on November 2, 1944, while in the Manzanar Relocation Camp. Mr. Miyagi was fighting for the US against the Germans in Europe when he received the news.[1]
A 2007 episode of the
CBS television crime drama Cold Case, titled "Family 8108", dealt with the 1945 murder of a Japanese American man in
Philadelphia,
Pennsylvania after he and his family were released from Manzanar. The episode originally aired on December 9, 2007.[2]non-primary source needed
This paragraph was removed because the references used are not verifiable (except for the one verifying the size of the lake):
"The Army didn't take them on a direct route, either, said Owens Valley Paiute elder Irene Button. "They were forced to walk all the way around the eastern shore of Owens Lake (covers an area of approximately 108 square miles (280 km2)).[4] They wanted to make sure that as many as possible would die before they reached Fort Tejon."[5]
These sentences were removed from the third paragraph (following "...慰霊塔 ("Soul Consoling Tower")."):
The monument is often draped in strings of origami, and sometimes survivors and other visitors leave offerings of personal items as mementos. The National Park Service periodically collects and catalogues such items.
National Historic Landmark and National Historic Site
The following sentence was removed as sources have proven difficult to locate. (It was prior to "The Manzanar National Historic Site also unveiled its virtual museum..."):
In late 2008, historically appropriate vegetation was planted near the Visitor Center.
References removed
Removed because they are apparently not reliable. Please feel free to comment on why or why not they are reliable. The name of the ref is in quotes, with the citation below that. ···
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These are the links in the External links section. There are far too many. Let's whittle them down a bit. Feel free to make comments under any specific links. ···
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Could be used in the article, perhaps in the Preservation and remembrance section. ···
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No opinion on the other links, but the HABS link should be kept in some form (either as a ref, or further reading, or external links). The text contains a pretty detailed construction history and physical description of the buildings, which is a useful resource (and/or some portion could be incorporated into the article if one wishes), and is unlikely to be replicated in that much detail in any other source, I think. In addition, the link includes a scale map and a few nice hi-res images. Finally, being included in the HABS is a point of significance in itself (not that the site needs the recognition, but still).
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It's user generated content so I would just axe it. buidhe 04:48, 19 May 2020 (UTC)reply
Removed. If there were more images, I might argue to keep it. As it is, there are only eight photos there, so it's not a terribly useful resource. I have removed this one. ···
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Could be used in the article, perhaps in the Preservation and remembrance section. ···
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Could be used as a ref, though it's all in Flash, so it will be hard to cite. ···
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Could be used in the article, perhaps in the Preservation and remembrance section. ···
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Could be used in the article, perhaps in the Preservation and remembrance section. Also as a ref. ···
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Okay, I've removed all but seven of the links. This reduced it by nearly two-thirds. I think the remaining links should be sufficient. ···
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Further reading
I'm thinking that "Owens Valley resources" might be better moved to the
Manzanar, California article. The "Wartime-related resources" which are reliable secondary sources should be cited in the article; those which are primary sources should be kept as further reading. The Post-War-related resources looks like it has accumulated several books which are only tangentially related (if at all); I would axe most of it. buidhe 04:48, 19 May 2020 (UTC)reply
Buidhe, please specifically mark which ones you think should be kept as further reading and which should be used as references (if possible). Please give reasoning, if you can. Thanks! ···
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Children's book, remove. buidhe 05:34, 19 May 2020 (UTC)reply
Burton, Jeff (1998). The Archeology of Somewhere: Archeological Testing Along U.S. Highway 395, Manzanar National Historic Site. Western Archeological Center, National Park Service, United States Department of the Interior. Publications in Anthropology 72 (Covers archeological finds at Manzanar from the pre-World War II, wartime and post-war periods).
Remove. I don't see how this is adding anything to the article. buidhe 05:34, 19 May 2020 (UTC)reply
Remove, seems to be about internment in general with little on Manzanar. I've added it to
Japanese American internment. buidhe 05:34, 19 May 2020 (UTC)reply
Should either be cited or deleted, depending on how much detail it has on Manzanar specifically. buidhe 05:34, 19 May 2020 (UTC)reply
I am not sure how to deal with memoirs, they are probably not
WP:RS for our purposes here, and my inclination would be just copy them to the wikiarticles of their authors. If the author/book isn't notable, it probably isn't worth keeping. buidhe 05:34, 19 May 2020 (UTC)reply
Buidhe, please specifically mark which ones you think should be kept as further reading, which should be used as references (if possible), and which should be axed. Please give reasoning, if you can. Thanks! ···
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Commission on Wartime Relocation and Internment of Civilians. (1997). Personal Justice Denied: Report of the Commission on Wartime Relocation and Internment of Civilians. Civil Liberties Public Education Fund and University of Washington Press.
ISBN978-0-295-97558-0.
Remove, not sufficiently related to the topic. buidhe 05:38, 19 May 2020 (UTC)reply
Remove/move to Embrey's article. buidhe 05:38, 19 May 2020 (UTC)reply
Remove, irrelevant. buidhe 05:38, 19 May 2020 (UTC)reply
Japanese American Historical Society of Southern California (1998). Nanka Nikkei Voices: Resettlement Years, 1945–1955. Japanese American Historical Society of Southern California.
Remove, this is about internment in general, not Manzanar specifically. buidhe 05:38, 19 May 2020 (UTC)reply
Remove, questionable reliability. buidhe 05:38, 19 May 2020 (UTC)reply
It's from a long-running newspaper in Los Angeles. I'm not seeing the "questionable reliability" issue. I think this one should be kept, too. I've removed all of them but the two I mentioned here. ···
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Muslim pilgrimages
The article states:
Since the
September 11 attacks,
American Muslims have participated in the Pilgrimage to promote and increase awareness of civil rights protections in the wake of widespread suspicions harbored against them
post-9/11.[6][7]
^Button, Irene (November 3, 2018). "Button Family Speaks During Katari Project" (Interview). Interviewed by Manzanar National Historic Site and Manzanar Committee. Manzanar National Historic Site.
HAYASHI, ROBERT T. (November 2003). "Transfigured Patterns: Contesting Memories at the Manzanar National Historic Site". The Public Historian. 25 (4): 51–71.
doi:
10.1525/tph.2003.25.4.51.
Ohrn, Karen Becker (31 July 2019). "What You See Is What You Get: Dorothea Lange and Ansel Adams at Manzanar". Journalism History. 4 (1): 14–32.
doi:
10.1080/00947679.1977.12066836.
Hansen, Authur A.; Hacker, David A. (13 February 2019). "The Manzanar Riot: An Ethnic Perspective". Amerasia Journal. 2 (2): 112–157.
doi:
10.17953/amer.2.2.1kl24477mkk70q51.
Kurashige, Lon (1 August 2001). "Resistance, Collaboration, and Manzanar Protest". Pacific Historical Review. 70 (3): 387–417.
doi:
10.1525/phr.2001.70.3.387.
Ladino, Jennifer K. (1 January 2015). "Mountains, Monuments, and other Matter: Environmental Affects at Manzanar". Environmental Humanities. 6 (1): 131–157.
doi:
10.1215/22011919-3615925.
HAYS, FRANK (November 2003). "The National Park Service: Groveling Sycophant or Social Conscience: Telling the Story of Mountains, Valley, and Barbed Wire at Manzanar National Historic Site". The Public Historian. 25 (4): 73–80.
doi:
10.1525/tph.2003.25.4.73.
Thy Phu (2008). "The Spaces of Human Confinement: Manzanar Photography and Landscape Ideology". Journal of Asian American Studies. 11 (3): 337–371.
doi:
10.1353/jaas.0.0020.
Smocovitis, Vassiliki Betty (February 2011). "Genetics Behind Barbed Wire: Masuo Kodani, Émigré Geneticists, and Wartime Genetics Research at Manzanar Relocation Center". Genetics. 187 (2): 357–366.
doi:
10.1534/genetics.110.126128.
Parks, Kimberley Roberts (January 2004). "Revisiting Manzanar: A history of Japanese American internment camps as presented in selected federal government documents 1941–2002". Journal of Government Information. 30 (5–6): 575–593.
doi:
10.1016/j.jgi.2004.10.003.
McStotts, Jennifer Cohoon (May 2007). "Internment in the Desert: A Critical Review of Manzanar National Historic Site". International Journal of Heritage Studies. 13 (3): 281–287.
doi:
10.1080/13527250701228239.
Adler, S.M. (2014) The Effect of Internment on Children and Families: Honouliuli and Manzanar. In S. Falgout and L. Nishigaya (Eds.), Breaking the Silence: Lessons of Democracy and Social Justice from the World War II Honouliuli Internment and POW Camp in Hawai ‘i, vol. 44, (178-197).
Alinder, Jasmine (2009). "The Right to Represent: Toyo Miyatake's Photographs of Manzanar". Moving Images: Photography and the Japanese American Incarceration. University of Illinois Press.
ISBN978-0-252-03398-8.
The latest USNPS map of internment facilities includes a pointer to Cow Creek in Death Valley as a sort of intermediate/temporary jail short of sending people to Tule Lake. This is next to NPS employee housing and the DV Nat. Hist. Assoc..
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