Talk:Johnny B. Goode

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This song was not created after a phone call with his cousin, so why is this being listed as fact? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Opl3sa ( talkcontribs) 05:57, 18 October 2010 (UTC) Reply[ reply]

It's true!!! The earthlings? coveredd this song, too! Dude!

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=earthlings+band+johnny+b+goode+cover&btnG=Search

I guess so.

-- Windwaker 05:22, 23 December 2005 (UTC) Reply[ reply]


Is the mark campbell who sang it in BTTF the same as the tight end?? Doesn't make any sense... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.212.28.26 ( talk) 01:12, 21 May 2007 (UTC) Reply[ reply]

trivia

the trivia section is the same as the beginning bit, someone change this plz —Preceding unsigned comment added by George bennett ( talkcontribs) 18:53, 4 September 2007 (UTC) Reply[ reply]


Trimming the cultural section

I just decided to flag some of the cultural points that I think can be trimmed out (I tried to choose the less associated, more obscure references to be removed).

   * In the movie Back to the Future...
   * The Beach Boys copied the intro...
   * The song is one of two Berry... ****
   * "Johnny B. Goode" makes a cameo...
   * "Johnny B. Goode" also makes a cameo...
   * "Johnny B. Goode" is also referenced...
   * In 2004, Democratic nominee for...
   * Australian band TISM once recorded...
   * "Johnny B. Goode" can be heard in many...
   * In the SNES game Earthbound (or Mother 2 in Japan)... ****
   * In the computer videogameTheme Park... *****
   * On the soundtrack to the SNES game Final Fantasy... ****
   * The Kingdom Hospital television miniseries...
   * In the videogames Animal Crossing and its sequel... ****
   * "Johnny B. Goode" is featured on the Voyager...
   * On his 2006 Modern Times album Bob Dylan seems... ****
   * American NASCAR driver Johnny Benson is... ****
   * Ironically, pianist Johnny Johnson was not... **** (not even relevant to the section)
   * "Johnny B. Goode" has also been used...
   * In an Australian advertisement...
   * The DEVO song Come Back... ****
   * The Histeria! episode...
   * The Discworld novel... ****
   * One of the main...

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 168.122.160.131 ( talk) 13:02, 10 September 2007 (UTC) Reply[ reply]

I think the Back to the Future reference should be kept given (1) the popularity of the movie, (2) the treatment of the song as fundamental to rock'n'roll, (3) the explicit reference to Chuck Berry via the brother Marvin character, etc. John Cardinal 13:20, 10 September 2007 (UTC) Reply[ reply]
Doh. I see it now. You are saying to trim the entries to which you added asterisks. I made them bold to make them stand out. Furthermore, I think I'll be bold and go delete them. They look like a good start to me. John Cardinal 13:24, 10 September 2007 (UTC) Reply[ reply]
Alright, I went ahead and removed a few more, I feel like its pretty decently trimmed down. I'm not sure what qualifies the note to be taken down from the top of the section, but I'd say it could be done. ObsidianOps 23:03, 24 September 2007 (UTC) Reply[ reply]
I don't think I removed any but I did copy-edit the crap out of them, especially the Misfits of Science material that was about 75% too much. In fact, I rewrote the bulk of the article. Hope nobody minds. :D (PS: There is no longer a trivia section to worry about, either). Eaglizard ( talk) 01:43, 20 November 2007 (UTC) Reply[ reply]

Wrong category

What a sad commentary on our time that Johnny B. Goode is in several "Back to the Future" categories but nary a one "Chuck Berry" or "Classic Rock Songs" or "Classic Guitar Songs" categories. Have we forgotten our history? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.124.149.222 ( talk) 04:25, 5 March 2008 (UTC) Reply[ reply]

Men At Work?

The band Men At Work published a song titled "Be Good Johnny" and, although the title is probably a reference to "Johnny B. Goode," the two songs don't have much in common. Can I safely get rid of Men At Work under the list of artists who have done a cover of this song, or am I mistaken? Kludger —Preceding comment was added at 01:47, 13 March 2008 (UTC) Please do! The Men at Work song is a reference not a cover! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.171.6.36 ( talk) 15:50, 11 January 2009 (UTC) Reply[ reply]

Jimi Hendrix version

Does Jimi Hendrix's version of Johnny B. Goode really require a seperate page? His rendition is attributed solely to Berry's writing, so it's technically the same song. Link: Johnny_B_Goode_(Jimi_Hendrix_song) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.46.8.6 ( talk) 02:44, 23 July 2008 (UTC) Reply[ reply]

Back To The Future singer

The paragraph on Back To The Future states that Michael J. Fox's performance was sung by Andrew Marr but links to Andrew Marr the British journalist (which seems unlikely to be the same Andrew Marr!). Before removing the link I was looking for a reference for the singer's name. Imdb's cast/crew list doesn't help. Can anyone give a reference? -- Kyuzo2000 ( talk) 12:51, 24 October 2008 (UTC) Reply[ reply]

The incorrect link ought to be removed in the meantime. There is no good reason to keep a link to an article about the journalist Andrew Marr. Holford ( talk) 23:02, 28 October 2008 (UTC) Reply[ reply]

new cover versions

The Monkees: They covered the Song on their Live Album Made in Japan 1968

so please include them in the List. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.44.231.104 ( talk) 16:28, 10 July 2009 (UTC) Reply[ reply]

Jonathan Toews

Should It Be Mentioned That "Johnny B. Goode" is Played Whenever He Scores A Goal? KingRaven (>$.$)> ( talk) 19:58, 26 September 2009 (UTC) Reply[ reply]


Only In Semi-Capitals. Basket Feudalist 17:30, 16 September 2013 (UTC) Reply[ reply]

Earthbound

Should it be mentioned that the New Age Retro Hippie theme from Earthbound sounds a lot like this song?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxsGX7NDxUY

I know Youtube videos don't make for good references and in text citations, but maybe someone could find something? 96.24.176.185 ( talk) 15:56, 6 August 2010 (UTC) Reply[ reply]

Any section for influence?

An example of a great song article is the one for The Who's "My Generation." That page goes into the song's historical context and impact. This song was influential on just about all subsequent rock music, but nobody simply reading this page for it would know why. AndrewOne ( talk) 03:06, 4 January 2015 (UTC) Reply[ reply]

Chuck Berry's general style was influential, not just this song. 77Mike77 ( talk) 19:02, 11 May 2018 (UTC) Reply[ reply]

Beatles influence

Would it be noteworthy that be the BTTF version was most likely influenced by the Beatles version? Where Chuck only sings "Go, Johnny, go", John kicks it up a notch tremendously by going, "Go, Johnny, GO-GO-GO!!!", and the latter is just what Jack Mack and Michael J. Fox do in the movie. -- 79.242.222.168 ( talk) 18:46, 17 August 2016 (UTC) Reply[ reply]

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Cover versions

AC/DC did a cover of this song, but why are they in the category but not on this overall page? -- 123.2.142.50 ( talk) 07:34, 8 June 2017 (UTC) Reply[ reply]

Why include idiotic quotation containg a falsehood?

In The Guardian, Joe Queenan wrote that "Johnny B. Goode" is "probably the first song ever written about how much money a musician could make by playing the guitar", <<< There is nothing whatsoever in the lyrics about "how much money a musician could make," so that is an untrue statement, and utterly asinine. One line has, "maybe some day your name will be in lights", suggesting success, but "how much money" is not mentioned whatsoever. Is there not a quote available from somebody who has a clue? 77Mike77 ( talk) 18:25, 11 May 2018 (UTC) Reply[ reply]

"Both black and white audiences".

This is needless racializing. There were earlier Top 40 hits by Little Richard, Nat King Cole, Harry Belafonte, Fats Domino, and others. The Top 40 was not "white only" when Johnny B. Goode came out, and it borders on race-baiting to add that phrase. Note that there were also Asians in the record-buying public, and it is racist to bring up race and then excude Asians. 77Mike77 ( talk) 18:56, 11 May 2018 (UTC) Reply[ reply]

Little "Bongo" Kraus

Who on earth was Little "Bongo" Kraus - listed in the infobox since this edit in 2008 (!!!) as the record producer? It was inserted during a juvenile edit war, and has remained ever since. I don't believe there's any evidence for its inclusion - in other words, it's a hoax edit - so I will remove it. Ghmyrtle ( talk) 16:42, 22 January 2020 (UTC) Reply[ reply]

PS: I've now had confirmation (to my satisfaction, at least), that Kraus is a myth, and that the session was produced by Leonard and Phil Chess. Source here. So, I'll correct the article accordingly. Over 11 years, that hoax was there! There is much more information about the session here. Ghmyrtle ( talk) 17:25, 22 January 2020 (UTC) Reply[ reply]
Well, at least it wasn't Ben Dover ... Should personal websites/blogs be used as references? WP:SPS says: "Exercise caution when using such sources: if the information in question is suitable for inclusion, someone else will probably have published it in independent reliable sources." How about Rothwell? — Ojorojo ( talk) 18:41, 22 January 2020 (UTC) Reply[ reply]
There's no mention of "Kraus" in Rothwell's Long Distance Information, if that's what you mean. I'm confident about Dietmar Rudolph's research, even if it is self-published. (He's mentioned here, for instance.) Ghmyrtle ( talk) 18:58, 22 January 2020 (UTC) Reply[ reply]
The Berry Chess box set uses The Chess Labels by Michel Ruppli for its session info (no engineers mentioned), but I can't find it. It seems that Wiener as the song's engineer should be mentioned in one of the many published books on Chess. I steer clear of anything marked "blog", which also has a lot of speculation and various postings. — Ojorojo ( talk) 19:50, 22 January 2020 (UTC) Reply[ reply]
Wiener is mentioned several times in Cohodas' Spinning Blues Into Gold, but not specifically in relation to that session, I think. Ghmyrtle ( talk) 22:18, 22 January 2020 (UTC) Reply[ reply]

In pop culture

Their should be a section that highlights some of the usages of the song in movies, tv, etc. EX: The song was used in the 1985 film Back to the Future at the end of the film where Marty performs the song 2 1/2 years before it’s release. Jerry Steinfield ( talk) 19:55, 6 May 2020 (UTC) Reply[ reply]

Samples

Hello FormalDude: The two recently added refs [1] do not state that " Fun, Fun, Fun" or " Star Star" sample Berry's riff from "Johnny B. Goode":

  • "Fun, Fun, Fun" – "With its 'Johnny B. Goode'-inspired electric guitar intro and lyrics about blowing off the library to go cruising, The Beach Boys’ 1964 hit is sonically and lyrically synonymous with the easygoing West Coast aesthetic." Billboard
  • "Star Star" – "begins with an homage to Chuck Berry's 'Johnny B. Goode.' From there however, 'Star Star' evolves into a raunchy rant". Ultimate Classic Rock

It is not uncommon for guitarists to copy or adapt a popular classic riff. However, this does not constitute sampling, which is defined as "the technique of digitally encoding music or sound and reusing it as part of a composition or recording" (New Oxford American Dictionary). The refs do not state that a recording of Berry's actual riff in "Johnny B. Goode" was later reused in the two songs. This is a problem when using User-generated content sites like whosampled.com: there is no assurance that it is correct.

It is also important to note that miscellaneous uses or appearances should not be added to articles unless reliable sources actually discuss them as noteworthy (see WP:SONGCOVER and WP:SONGTRIVIA). WP articles should not be loaded with miscellanea from lists or passing mentions, even if from a RS. These details do not provide encyclopedic content and may overwhelm shorter articles – that's what websites like whosampled.com, secondhandsongs.com, etc., are good for. — Ojorojo ( talk) 14:12, 23 August 2022 (UTC) Reply[ reply]