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Roman orthodox

The term "greek orthodox" is not as in-use as this article leads people to believe, why was my edit reverted? Akhshartag ( talk) 21:28, 9 August 2023 (UTC) reply

what is Roman Orthodox? 174.101.111.113 ( talk) 00:40, 10 March 2024 (UTC) reply

List

Looking at the inclusion of the archdioceses and semi-autonomous churches, should the list include also the autonomous "Antiochian Orthodox Christian Archdiocese of North America?" What about other dioceses (ie. Albanian dioceses both Constantinople and America)? Coquidragon ( talk) 00:08, 2 October 2023 (UTC) reply

Requested move 2 October 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: No consensus. Also OP has been blocked as a sockpuppet.  —  Amakuru ( talk) 22:58, 10 October 2023 (UTC) reply

Greek Orthodox Church → Greek Orthodoxy – The article about the Greek Orthodox Church lacks clarity, primarily due to its name. It's important to note that Greek Orthodoxy isn't a singular church entity. This term stems from the organizational structure of Orthodoxy, which consists of several independent churches. While some of these churches, though not all, share commonalities like using the Greek language and adhering to various traditions that distinguish them from other Orthodox traditions such as Russian, Bulgarian, or Serbian Orthodoxy. These distinctions can be observed in aspects like attire, liturgy, hierarchy, and more. For instance, articles on items like the klobuk, mandya, or metropolitan bishop regularly highlight differences between Greek, Russian, and/or Slavic traditions.

Greek Orthodoxy can refer to either this shared tradition or the collective group of these churches. It's essential to recognize that Greek Orthodoxy predates the modern independent country of Greece or the national Church of Greece, which emerged in the 1830s as a result of Greek independence. The national Church of Greece is actually a small component of Greek Orthodoxy. Kpratter ( talk) 10:14, 2 October 2023 (UTC) reply

  • Support. This article isn't about an "orthodox church", but a tradition within Orthodoxy. Srnec ( talk) 20:32, 2 October 2023 (UTC) reply
Support per nominator. Killuminator ( talk) 20:39, 2 October 2023 (UTC) reply
  • Oppose. This is the WP:COMMONNAME. I understand the point of the nomination, but as the article is written the current title is the best. -- Necrothesp ( talk) 12:27, 3 October 2023 (UTC) reply
  • Oppose. Editing would be needed in the body to fit new proposed title. If middle ground, I would make the title plural: Greek Orthodox Churches, yet this would be a different matter.-- Coquidragon ( talk) 16:20, 3 October 2023 (UTC) reply
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Slavic Orthodox Church(es) / Slavic Orthodoxy

Looking at the discussion above, regardless of the outcome, a parallel Slavic Orthodox Church(es) / Slavic Orthodoxy would be good for consistency, although Romania and Georgia would be left in the air. Coquidragon ( talk) 16:24, 3 October 2023 (UTC) reply

there is already an article called Russian Orthodoxy. If you have anough sources you could create Serbian Orthodoxy and Bulgarian Orthodoxy and maybe some other articles as well. Kpratter ( talk) 17:21, 3 October 2023 (UTC) reply
@ Kpratter:Thanks, I didn't know it existed. A reference should be made in the body of this article to contrast against it (currently only under "See Also"). Yet, oranges and apples. Bulgaria and Serbia use Church Slavonic, but where not part of Russian Orthodoxy, as such, they are not included in the article, which points to the idea that maybe the article's names is not adequate. Should it be Slavic Orthodoxy, not Russian Orthodoxy? Also, Georgia was part of Russian Orthodoxy but does not use Church Slavonic. I think that if the criteria is clear, the name convention of this article should be in line with the other. Once again, thanks.-- Coquidragon ( talk) 20:46, 3 October 2023 (UTC) reply

Distinction from Roman Orthodox Churches

There are a number of formerly Greek Orthodox Churches, which went back into communion with the Roman Catholic Church, of which Eastern Orthodoxy had split off since the Great Schism. These Churches, sometimes called "united with Rome", have retained most of their Greek Orthodox rituals. I don't know, but I guess there must be some who use Greek as their liturgical language. Having this in mind, does anyone know if all of the Orthodox Churches "united with Rome" are excluded from the umbrella category "Greek Orthodox Church", with all its 3 definitions? If so, this should be added to the lead, as it is a major criterion of distinction from Latin (Roman Catholic) Christianity subordinate to the Pope in Rome. Thanks, Arminden ( talk) 17:01, 22 January 2024 (UTC) reply

@ Arminden: Despite your comment being a bit biased ("Greek Orthodox Churches, which went back into communion with the Roman Catholic Church, of which Eastern Orthodoxy had split off since the Great Schism"), I would assume the answer to your question would be that Greek Catholic Churches (self-procraimed Greek Orthodox Churches in union with Rome) could fall under the second category: "any of several independent churches within the worldwide communion of (Eastern) Orthodox Christianity that retain the use of the Greek language in formal ecclesiastical settings," thinking of them more as "Unrecognised churches" / "Churches that are neither recognised nor fully Eastern Orthodox." Now, a follow up point would be if these Churches should be listed in Organization of the Eastern Orthodox Church#Unrecognised churches. Since Wikipedia is all about sourcing, you would need to find a credible source that lists them as such. Without it, I would defer to the editors of these pages. Good question though, despite not being WP:POV.-- Coquidragon ( talk) 17:21, 22 January 2024 (UTC) reply
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