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"Those who have worked for in the City" is obviously wrong, but I'm not sure if it's supposed to be "have worked in the City" or "have worked for $something in the City" so I won't correct it. dahamsta 08:28, 16 Jan 2005 (UTC)
I think you should correct it, as its a blatant means of selective suffrage and a way of controlling the entire process for the benefit of the elite. This whole page is a joke, btw. You people impose democracy on foreigners, killing most of them in the process, and then don't even talk about it at home. A disgrace. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.223.174.152 ( talk) 07:36, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
The legal name is "The Mayor and Commonalty and Citizens of the City of London". Most people call it the "City of London". The Common Council decided that if "City of London" was confusing then "City of London Corporation" could be used as disambiguation. [1] -- Henrygb 23:20, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
What's the difference and relation between the City of London and the Corporation of London? I'm confused. Thanks in advance. ——Nussknacker胡桃夹子 ^.^tell me... 12:04, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
In practice, organizations requesting changes to articles typically write directly to the Wikimedia Foundation. David.Monniaux 17:58, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
“ | Like Vatican City, London inner city is also a privately owned corporation or city state, located right smack in the heart of Greater London. It became a sovereign state in 1694 when king William III of Orange privatized and turned the Bank of England over to the bankers. | ” |
— Ring of Power. ILLUMINATI Bloodlines part 2/31 (on YouTube) |
__ meco ( talk) 21:38, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
This is fundamentally mistaken. The City of London was created by Alfred the Great as a burh by the at the latest 886 AD. It developed a civic commune in the 12th Century and this was supported by Royal Charters and Parliament. It was not much different in its evolution and constitution to any other provincial municipal corporation, except that it was the major economic city of England and then the UK. Its government was suspended by various kings, mainly because it usually supported an 'anti Court' party and because of its financial wealth gave loans to the king. It played the same role in the Stewart Civil Wars, financing Parliament. It was suspended by James II and the leading civic figures combined with the senior aristocrats to overthrow that king and invite William III & Mary II to establish a constitutional monarchy with Parliamentary government.
The Bank of England was created by Royal Charter of William III in 1694 as a 'Limited Liability 'joint stock' company - it did not exist before and it therefore was not a goverment body as it eventually became in 1945. It was set up to finance war debt, British foreign policy became antagonistic to French interests from this period.
The City corporation is not "a privately owned corporation" but a public body, a local authority, like any other, with an elected council. It does have one remarkable difference - it has separate income from endowments and property and so is not exclusively reliant on local taxes nor does it receive central Government subsidies. Indeed it has to distribute its business taxes across the other Greater London boroughs and it is the single largest contributor to both London Transport and to the arts and cultural life of the metropolis. Because of its economic independence governments have found no need to merge it with other councils and its ancient status means it continues its ceremonial civic arrangements which have largely died out in other towns. 79.72.81.131 ( talk) 19:21, 26 August 2008 (UTC) Tony S
So what is its formal name, the Corporation of London or the Mayor and Commalty and Citizens of the City of London? (I suspect that maybe the "Corporation of London" is its official name, and its formal name i.e. the name used in formal contexts and the English are ever so good at is "the Mayor and Commalty and Citizens of the City of London".)
— Felix the Cassowary 17:17, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
Does anyone know when the Corporation of London was established? It doesn't have a royal charter does it? I see the date of 1189 in some places. Wik idea 10:43, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
Hi,
I added a referenced section on allegations that the City is a tax haven, but it was removed by another editor in this edit. I wonder if a third person could offer their opinion on whether it is relevant to the article or should be removed.
Many thanks, Supersparrow 13 ( talk) 15:58, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
The city is not a tax haven. The definition of a tax haven is a place where companies register themselves only for tax purposes to avoid more punitive foreign tax. The City of London could in no way be described as that. The user conflates two different concepts: a) a tax haven and b) a place where companies that use tax havens have offices. In reality the City of London loses money from some of their companies using tax havens such as the BVI. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.156.168.197 ( talk) 17:19, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
We probably need to think if the City/Corporation of London articles should go in one large section or two separate ones, one dealing with physical structure and layout, and the other with the administrative functions and businesses. There appears to be a great deal of duplicity across the two sections. -- Andromedean ( talk) 20:27, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
in a moment, I shall remove its lead-in. The present section consists of:
- criticism of the resident businesses in the City for hiding money, without the criticism remotely being specific to the Corporation (or, indeed, the City - the hiding techniques work equally well anywhere in the world and don't involve the City at all) - A defence of an attack on the Remembrancer's office, completely missing citations, which is not actually present in the criticism section at all. Such a defence could be justified if the criticism were there - though perhaps not so vigorously - but it isn't actually criticism and doesn't make a lot of sense.
Feel free to revive the section - it's possible and indeed not even hard to criticise the corporation and I'm sure references can be found that have done so - but the two points above are not criticism at all and without them the section is empty. 89.201.163.12 ( talk) 19:09, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for your help with tidying up this section and being reasonable. however, there seems to be no escaping the criticism. perhaps we have let the corporation off lightly. See Secret City the acclaimed investigative film written by Lee Salter and directed by Michael Chanan. The documentary explores the power wielded by the City of London Corporation and reveals its relationship to London’s position at the centre of global finance, and the economic crisis. -- Andromedean ( talk) 14:54, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
Who is this person and why is most of this article about his random opinions on the City of London???? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.156.168.197 ( talk) 03:45, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
The voting system of C of London Corp is covered on several page (including references on the Plutocracy page) ... There seems to be a fundamental inconsistency in the coverage, most pages referring to 'business votes' and to 'votes being allocated to businesses', whilst the Governance of City of London page states "Under the new system, the number of non-resident voters has doubled from 16,000 to 32,000. Previously disfranchised firms ... are entitled to nominate voters, ... and all such bodies are now required to choose their voters in a representative fashion.".
The difference between the two descriptions seems critical, if votes are simply allocated to businesses, then the system seems inherently paternalistic, if not plutocratic. However, if effective mechanisms are in place to ensure free elections WITHIN companies' workforces, then a completely different picture emerges (one might almost then call them 'worker' or 'employee votes').
I went as far as consulting the Corporation website, which merely suggests (rather then enforces) ways in which companies are advised to choose their voters.
Perhaps someone who knows more about the system - and whether it is effective - can contribute. Pincrete ( talk) 13:21, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
I have just altered the final paragraph of the voting system section in a way that (I hope) is clearer and less 'loaded'. We should accurately record the anomalies of the voting system, without passing judgement on them.
It also occurs to me that coverage of the City's voting system - and governance - is 'sprawled' across several pages, perhaps this coverage should be merged into one place for reasons of consistency and economy of space. Pincrete ( talk) 15:10, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
Like with the "City remembrancer" page, I've removed the Monbiot and Shaxson references. These are simply not credible and contain falsehoods such as:
"The City of London has been granted various special privileges since the Norman Conquest,[26][27] partly due to its power as Britain's financial capital. These are also mentioned by the Statute of William and Mary in 1690" is a statement, not a criticism.
"Author and journalist Nicholas Shaxson argues that, in return for raising loans and finance for the British government, the City "has extracted privileges and freedoms from rules and laws to which the rest of Britain must submit" that have left the corporation "different from any other local authority. He argues that the assistance provided to the institutions based in its jurisdiction, many of which help their rich clients with offshore tax arrangements, mean that the corporation is "a tax haven in its own right"" - again this is not true, the City of London is not a tax haven and is subject to the same laws as the rest of England and Wales. Besides, this article is about The City of London Corporation.
"Writing in The Guardian, George Monbiot argued that the corporation's power "helps to explain why regulation of the banks is scarcely better than it was before the crash, why there are no effective curbs on executive pay and bonuses and why successive governments fail to act against the UK's dependent tax havens" and suggested that its privileges could not withstand proper "public scrutiny"" - The City of London Corporation does not regulate banks. That's the job of the Financial Conduct Authority.
Just because someone has an opinion on something, doesn't mean it is either correct, factual, or belongs in an encyclopedia. e.g. you probably wouldn't be quoting David Icke in any criticism of the British Monarchy. 87.112.14.26 ( talk) 17:10, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
So as not to create the wrong impression, I think it should be made clear somewhere in the article that what the City of London means by "Commoner" is not the same as the dictionary definition and widely known meaning of "commoner". Commoner (particularly in the UK) is usually taken to mean somebody from a low social class background (the term presumably deriving from the commoners who worked Common land). The Cambridge Dictionary gives the following definition for the word:
"Commoner - a person who is not born into a position of high social rank"
However the City of London appears to mean pretty much the exact opposite when it says "commoner". The term in this context appears to derive from the fact that the City of London Corporation was originally known as a "commune" and thus citizens of the "commune" are called "commoners". As the City of London says:
"The commune may have been the origins of the development of another element of local governance. Gradually, Aldermen began to summon "wise and discreet" citizens from their wards to their meetings for consultation on particular matters. In 1285, a group of 40 citizens, between one and four from each Ward, was to consult with the Aldermen on the common affairs of the City. From 1376, this assembly had regular meetings and was known as the Common Council. It gradually assumed greater responsibilities and the business of the Court of Aldermen declined."
I think we need to put something into the article like:
"Commoner in the context used in this article is taken to mean a member of the Common Council, a citizen or landowner of the City of London. This differs from the commonly held understanding of what a commoner is."
Come on guys! The Shaxon article in the New Statesman is nonsense - how can a governing body be a tax haven? The quote "has extracted privileges and freedoms from rules and laws to which the rest of Britain must submit" simply isn't true! I note the previous discussion above where it looks like whoever was trying to correct it was bullied away. Bit of a stain on Wikipedia's credibility this. HenryTheHexapus ( talk) 13:52, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
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I have heard that one family owns most of the land in the City of London Corporation. He is Duke, I think. This seems worth pursuing and mentioning that specific person. StevenTorrey ( talk) 01:16, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
Citation 7 runs to a dead link. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.207.55.66 ( talk) 21:33, 17 February 2017 (UTC)
User:The Land, I acknowledge that your source confirms that it is possible to vote in two local elections in the UK (if you can persuade the relevant person that you are a permanent resident of two places, which is not really defined, but explicitly discounts simply owning/occasionally using more than one residence). What I don't accept is that the source says this is 'normal' in the UK. Ordinarily if you register in one area, you forfeit the right to be registered in your previous, since you have declared a new permanent residence.
More important than the possibility of doing that elsewhere in the UK, why is it relevant to the CofL voting system? CofL business voters are explicitly NOT residents of the CofL (merely workers there), and indeed it is forbidden to be both a business and a resident voter of CofL. The section is explaining the anomaly of being able to vote in two places, which, except for students in local elections, is extremely uncommon in the UK. Your edit implies it is normal throughout the UK for people to vote in two places, which it isn't, especially when they do not live in one of those places (which is the case with CofL business voters).
What I am essentially saying is that this kind of detail belongs on a 'UK voting system' article, here it adds nothing to the understanding of CofL, and creates a misleading impression. Pincrete ( talk) 19:51, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
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The lede says "The Corporation is probably the world's oldest continuously-elected local government authority." However the article doesn't seem to explain this in any more detail; most importantly it fails to explain when those elections began. Even if this is only known roughly, it seems worth mentioning. – Arms & Hearts ( talk) 01:26, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
The Court of Common Council section of this page says, "A Common Councilman must be a registered voter in a City Ward, own a freehold or lease land in the City, or reside in the City for the year prior to the election. The individual must also be over 21; a Freeman of the City; and a British, Irish, Commonwealth or EU citizen." However, the phrase "Freeman of the City of London" is linked to a section of the page Freedom of the City which implies that Freedom of the City is now for the most part ornamental and carries no substantive rights. So which is it? Either:
Bayle Shanks ( talk) 20:01, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
It is a pre-requisite for election to Common Council that candidates must first have the Freedom of the City. I've added a link to the qualifying criteria on the Corporation's website that explains this. Mauls ( talk) 16:26, 11 December 2020 (UTC)