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"making it the oldest of the world's major football codes" Actually it seem the first set of rules came from Rugby school for what's called rugby — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.50.202.6 ( talk) 08:58, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
The article states "New rules such as holding the ball led to a "golden era" of fast, long-kicking and high-marking football in the 1880s, a time which also saw the rise of professionalism, particularly in Victoria and Western Australia[citation needed] (where the code took hold during the colony's gold rushes)". Which is not cited. I don't think anyone would argue that the game in Victoria was becoming professional by the 1890s, however several sources seem to indicate that the WAFL resisted going professional well into the 1920s in contrast to the VFL and SAFA which went professional much earlier. I'm not sure if this statement refers to the WA Goldfields League (since it talks about the gold rush) which was very strong and separately governed or the WAFL (but still of a roughly equivalent standard). In any case, I think its probably more accurate to include South Australia than Western Australia here.-- Rulesfan ( talk) 04:42, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
The current feature image looks more like a game of rugby and shows none of the unique attributes of Australian Rules. The players could be throwing the ball. There are no goal posts, no kicking or jumping for the ball and is taken from an angle in which no players are depicted offside ... plus it is an AFL match, and the AFL is not the only league in which the sport is played.
-- Rulesfan ( talk) 03:19, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
Uncited statements appear to have crept into this article and also the Australian Rules Football in New South Wales article that the game started there in 1866 (at the same time as Australian rules football in Queensland). Documentation on the game in Brisbane and Queensland is substantial with more than 10 clubs established by the 1870s but there appears to be zero evidence that anything but rugby played in Sydney and newspapers generally reported the Carlton vs Waratah match in 1877 as the first match of the code in the colony. Even the Albury Football Club (on the border of VIC) was not formed until 1876. Please provide some evidence that it somehow appeared without any mention over a decade earlier! Rugby was well established in Sydney in the 1860s and I find it very hard to believe that there wouldn't be some written account of the Victorian game being played there during this time. -- Rulesfan ( talk) 04:32, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
This has been removed from the article, although it was cited by independent resources. It is a very important story as it explains why the sport is so small internationally having previously spread so widely. Although little has been written on the subject (due to the exact same reasons), the exclusion policy the VFL/AFL implemented in 1906 to protect its primacy in Australia is the key reason why it remains the only place the game is played professionally!
"Faced with the growth of British sports and their increasing professionalism in Australia and growing interest around the world in the Australian game the Australasian Football Council (led by the VFL) implemented a domestic policy for game development in 1906. The Council's policy reflected the strong Australian nationalism of the time "one flag, one destiny, one football game" - that as the national code, all matches should be played under an Australian flag, with an Australian manufactured ball where possible on Australian soil, by the whole nation. [1] The Council believed it could better defend its premier position in Australia by allocating all its promotional resources to grow its marketshare in New South Wales and Queensland whilst its coexistence with rugby and the promise of a universal football code was part of its ambition of keeping growth of the game in Australia under its national (and international) control. While it allowed voting member New Zealand to send a team to the 1908 Melbourne Carnival, the policy meant no touring sides and the phasing out of financial support which stymied the game outside Australia creating significant financial and logistic barriers for overseas sides to compete. The nationalistic policies were reinforced by the 1908 Prime Ministerial speech of former player Alfred Deakin delivered at the opening of the 1908 carnival [2] and would underpin the governing body's international policy for more than half a century."
-- Rulesfan ( talk) 02:52, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
Frankly i'm not Australian and don't know much about this game so my opinion, as a person who is just getting acquainted with all this. As far as I understand, my attempt to change images to a more compromise one is blocked by the user HappyWaldo. No sweat. My thoughts on why the right picture is better than the left picture:
1. It's portrays the game as a team game, not just two players from teams.
2. It's neutral and potentially harmless, unlike the left picture. As a person who has studied body language and the human subconscious perception of it, I can say that in the left picture: one player clearly "dominates" the other, one looks like a floating Atlantean who controls the ball unconditionally, and the other is like a loser, with his uncomfortable face and back that serves only "stand" for the leg of that Atlas. One moment, but this moment is aggravated by different races of players, forming an unfair hierarchy between "white player" and "black player" subcontiously when you look at this close. Perhaps this photo is appropriate in an article about a specific player, but definitely not as the main picture of the whole game.
Just my thoughts, y'all do what you want with it. TyronMcLannister ( talk) 12:02, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
I hardly edit on Wikipedia any more, because of various reasons I won't go into, but I came across the current intro and the word "officially" has been removed. The game is referred to as Australian Football in the Laws of the Game throughout this document, which is the official publication about the rules of Australian football. I would have thought this was enough for it to be officially called Australian Football. And the AFL are, by default, the controlling and governing body for the game, whether anyone likes it or not. The old (archived) link informs the reader that the name Australian Football is the official name of the sport, but some genius at the AFL decided to remove it when overhauling its website. The word official was used in the page for almost 12 years (~June 2009 to April 2021), before an anon editor changed it last year at the end of April (see here), who either didn't read the archived link or just didn't like the name "Australian Football" being referred to as official, and this change seems to have just went under the radar. Just wondering what the regular editors think, and whether the word should be re-introduced, I personally think it should be, but as I said at the beginning of this post I hardly ever edit on WP, and so I believe this should be discussed, thankyou? – Marco 79 09:00, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
Hey guys, just to add top of the page to avoid confusion with "basic" rules and gameplay. I would like to add distinguish basketball & gaelic football. Some people may be colourblind as well just to pick up on basics on how to play (co-ordination) etc.. through reading & writing visuals. Thoughts, thanks. BGetmefood ( talk) 11:20, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
Shared history and Australia has played cross-code with Gaelic football. They have played an exhibition game/s in China & New Zealand. Define no one and what they want to expect? As I said the distinguish can help with reading & writing & people who are colourblind, especially because it's wikipedia. More thoughts. If yes I will re-add the distinguish. Thanks BGetmefood ( talk) 11:20, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
You don't get the point though do you? This is talking of the sport (Australian rules). Not the AFL which is a league. If it was a league I'd be editing the AFL wikipedia page and adding the distinguish page there. Do not undo my edits because my suspicions tells me you are a sock puppet of the same account. BGetmefood ( talk) 01:22, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
What do you mean by nothing I type makes sense? I think it would be wise to give up the crusade until we can gain further consensus. Like I said if I wanted I would edit the AFL page and distinguish it between the NBA but I won't. This is talking the sport itself of Australian rules football which derived from basketball & Gaelic football rules & yes most of the uniform where sleeveless attire. Those are the two sports most similar sports to Australian rules except the sport is played on round cricket ovals which is already explained in the article. Want further consensus before adding distinguish though. Thoughts BGetmefood ( talk) 06:46, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
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There is absolutely no mention in this article of the equipment required to play (or lack thereof). Most Australian rules players wear sleeveless guernseys and short shorts. Virtually every player wears a mouthguard when they take to the field. All players are required to wear football boots with cleats. Rucks often wear shin pads. Some players wear helmets and thigh padding.
This from the soccer article:
The basic equipment or kit players are required to wear includes a shirt, shorts, socks, footwear and adequate shin guards. An athletic supporter and protective cup is highly recommended for male players by medical experts and professionals. Headgear is not a required piece of basic equipment, but players today may choose to wear it to protect themselves from head injury. Players are forbidden to wear or use anything that is dangerous to themselves or another player, such as jewellery or watches. The goalkeeper must wear clothing that is easily distinguishable from that worn by the other players and the match officials.
This from American football:
Football is a full-contact sport, and injuries are relatively common. Most injuries occur during training sessions, particularly ones that involve contact between players. To try to prevent injuries, players are required to wear a set of equipment. At a minimum players must wear a football helmet and a set of shoulder pads, but individual leagues may require additional padding such as thigh pads and guards, knee pads, chest protectors, and mouthguards. Most injuries occur in the lower extremities, particularly in the knee, but a significant number also affect the upper extremities. The most common types of injuries are strains, sprains, bruises, fractures, dislocations, and concussions. Rulesfan ( talk) 10:43, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
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GA from 2021. which is definitely very recent, but there looks to be quite a lot of uncited statements including entire uncited paragraphs. So I feel that this needs to be reassessed. Onegreatjoke ( talk) 02:50, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
Need to get consensus that AFL as an alternative nickname is accurate. It's a common name used in areas that aren't traditional Australian Footballing areas. There is even a group that hates that the sport is referred too as AFL, further showing that it's an accurate nickname. Don't really think it's controversial to have it as a nickname, and I don't believe that it's simply a marketing tactic as someone else has claimed. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:Australian_rules_football_slang
It's even on wikitionary already.
Hate that I have to even write this, because it's a fairly obvious nickname, but here we go. Basetornado ( talk) 12:20, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
Basetornado The Anti-Football League predated the modern AFL by 23-odd years. The fact it has the same initialism is just a coincidence—pure and simple.
Edit: "In Sydney, at least, there's no dispute. The game, not just the competition, is called AFL, a name the league has never officially endorsed but hasn't shied away from, either. In the northern states, with rugby, rugby league and soccer all commonly known as football, it avoids obvious confusion, and makes our game instantly identifiable." from https://www.smh.com.au/sport/afl/name-of-the-game-is-up-in-the-air-in-nsw-20120321-1vkbw.html A source that is already on the page.
Basetornado ( talk) 07:11, 28 March 2024 (UTC)