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the present text says St Adalbert attended the St. Adalbert Elementary School in Elmhurst (New York) I would suspect somebody is making fun of all of us. Is there someone that can retrace this edit? Mikils ( talk) 21:16, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
The entry says that St. Adalbert was born 939. I looked in Britannica and it says 956. Who is right? -- css
To css !!
I got the date of 939 for birth of St Adalbert from the Catholic Encyclopedia, New Advent
(They show 939- 997 , but positioned at the wrong St Adalbert. They list several.)
The date of birth does not make any difference to me in the story and I am taking it out. I found several articles at www.weptop.com . Some say he was martyred at the Pomeranian coast. That is incorrect, because it was the Samland coast . Samland in Prussia has never been Pomerania . Danzig , where he started out in Prussia, was christianised from the west from Pomerania and was at times ruled by the Pomerelian ( Little Pomeranian) dukes ,even though it was situated in Old Prussi Land. But the Eastern part of Prussia was Christianised from Riga in Livland Livonia ( today Latvia) and was under the archbishopric of Riga.
I removed the 'loss of land and freedom' part. Christianization, IF it was combined with conquest by a neighboring Lord, might have meant loss of 'freedom'. Plenty of people converted without 'loss of freedom'. Lots of these north German entries seem to imply that the Prussians were noble savages (I'm especially amused by the idea that they fought with clubs because clubs were 'less final' than swords - that implies that fighting with clubs was a positive thing and that these noble savages were corrupted by their wicked, sword-using neighbors. That's all arrant speculation. If they didn't use swords it was because they were so poor and so metallurgically unsophisticated that they couldn't. People always use the best weapons they can afford.).
Christianization did mean loss of land and freedom . Read the book about the Baltic or Northern Crusades at amazon.com.
Prussian reiks (chiefs) Warpode and Survabuno were "Christianized" and brought to the Pope. After they found out the pope wanted to take the land over, they Re-verted back to Old Prussian Baltic Nature believe. To the clubs ( throwing and hitting) , Prussians had plenty of metal, used it for tools, bowls, jewelry etc . But until Crusaders were sent, starting with Boleslaw I Chrobrie's soldiers coming in with Vojtech Adalbert , Prussians had no need for heavy deadly weapons.
When you look at bowling pins , you have the shape of the throwing clubs.
Which popes are involved with Adalbert? I suppose more than one, given the time-frame and the shortness of some of those papacies. Let's get the names in. --MichaelTinkler
There is a current theory that Adalbert was murdered for being a Polish spy JHK
The line:
This investment perfectly paid off.
is not clear. How did buying the body of the dead missionary pay off? I understand that the saint's tomb became an important pilgrimage, and even had political repurcussions, but this sentence does not make any of that clear. - Willmcw 07:06, 14 Dec 2004 (UTC)
The paragraph about Vojtěch's conflicts and the murder in 995 seems to contradict most sources on Czech history.
First, Vrśovcy should be spelled Vršovci (ś is never used in Czech names and the -cy suffix doesn't exist in Czech).
Second, the murder of the Slavníks in 995 has been probably ordered by the ruling dynasty of the Přemyslides, for whom the expanding power of Slavníks was becoming a threat. Vršovci don't seem to be connected to this event.
Unless anybody objects, I will correct the article soon. MJ 20:37, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
According to Cosmas' chronicle, Slavniks were murdered by Vrśovci who were comits (confederates) of Boleslav II. He promised them Libice town in thanks of helping him to incorporate Zličan princedom to Prague. Thus Boleslav made Vrśovci do all the work. If you consult the firstprimary source you easily ascertain all this. okoli 06:45, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
How exactly does one get "Adalbert" out of "Vojtěch"? I'm assuming the latter was his given name at birth, since he was Czech... -- Jfruh ( talk) 02:21, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
You're absolutely right. He was baptized by Adalbert of Magdeburg. ( Ironiest 14:32, 29 September 2007 (UTC))
The story about Strachkvas taking over the bishop's office and dying in consequence first comes in Cosmas's Chronicle, more than one hundred years later, and is highly doubted. If Adalbert did baptize Hungarians, is highly doubted as well. There is no clear evidence for it, and the relevant passage in Vita by Bruno seems to be added later. Can you please clarify the issue with this first Adalbert's Vita from Aachen, previous to Canaparius? I never heard about it before. To my knowledge, Karwasinska's work was the latest profound study on the subject, and she's assuming it was really Canaparius who composed the first Vita. [[[User:Ironiest|Ironiest]] 22:18, 26 September 2007 (UTC)]
I'm afraid this article follows hagiography and nothing else. For example:
Compared to standards of that day, Prussians acted extremely kindly, but ultimately, having no other means to deal with a criminal destroying their holy places, put him to death. And even then, they let Adalbert's servants and co-missionaries go. Thus, he deserves the name "martyr" about as much as your average Talib bomber. KiloByte ( talk) 16:43, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
Under part 1.3 Mission and martyrdom in Prussia. Paragraph two about the chopping down oak trees, has no citation connecting Adalbert of Prague to these grotesque allegations? Jwak1985 ( talk) 17:25, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
I'm not sure where to place this in the article, but several scholars have written that Adalbert of Prague is the most likely author of this hymn which is also the oldest Polish song in exsistence. Please see here. Best. 4meter4 ( talk) 21:12, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
Where did you get that? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.183.23.123 ( talk) 08:32, 7 March 2018 (UTC)
The article claims Adalbert "was a White Croatian missionary and Christian saint. [1]", yet the cited source states nothing of the sort, in fact a search on Google books shows that the words Croat or Croatian never once appear in the book. So that part needs to be removed Thhhommmasss ( talk) 20:45, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
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